[p2p-research] discussion on Capital and Class issue

Tue Dec 4 18:00:01 CET 2007

Even if it turns out that there is no conflict, I think I would like to
submit a different paper, or a paper that focuses on one element of what my
presentation was at Nottingham.

I am particularly interested in writing about voluntary, self-governed,
resource pooling and gift economies, donation network "commons", and the
contexts in which they succeed and fail, plus the technologies and social
contracts, and social dynamics that help them succeed (and fail). This was
touched on in my presentation, but is something that I am currently active
in researching and implementing in several different contexts. I am seeing a
role for these "commons" as an alternative for entrepreneurs and
not-for-profits to borrowing money, or turnign to traditional venture
capital. The sources that I would site are actually the same list that I
sent to you previously, Pheobe, minus Dan Gillmore, and adding Paul Hartzog,
and likely some others...

On Dec 4, 2007 10:18 AM, Phoebe Moore <P.Moore at salford.ac.uk> wrote:

>  Thanks George.
>
>
>
> Dr Phoebe Moore
>
> Lecturer in International Relations
>
> English, Sociology, Politics and Contemporary History & European Studies
> Research Institute
>
> University of Salford
>
> Crescent House, Salford
>
> Manchester, M54WT
>
> T: 0161 295 6033
>
> F: 0161 295 5077
>
> IR & Politics: http://www.espach.salford.ac.uk/politics/irp.php
>
> ESRI: http://www.esri.salford.ac.uk
>
> My new book:
> http://www.amazon.com/Globalisation-Labour-Struggle-Asia-Neo-Gramscian/dp/1845113780/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-8703029-9815921
>   ------------------------------
>
> *From:* p2presearch-bounces at listcultures.org [mailto:
> p2presearch-bounces at listcultures.org] *On Behalf Of *Dafermos, George
> *Sent:* 04 December 2007 12:13
> *To:* p2presearch at listcultures.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [p2p-research] discussion on Capital and Class issue
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I agree with Athina and Tere: that two different venues have expressed an
> interest in publishing our work should be interpreted as something very
> positive. Neither do I see a conflict of interest here: as Athina and Tere
> say, we could publish in both spaces. In the present case, I have already
> sent Phoebe an abstract for a paper co-authored with J. Soderberg to include
> in her proposal to C&C. But in parallel I could prepape a text for TCS - or
> any other journal for that matter - based on my presentation at the
> workshop. What I'm saying is what Tere and Athina have already said: we
> could publish in both venues.
>
> Best regards,
>
> george
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: p2presearch-bounces at listcultures.org on behalf of Athina
> Karatzogianni
> Sent: Tue 12/4/2007 12:21 PM
> To: Tere Vadén
> Cc: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> Subject: Re: [p2p-research] discussion on Capital and Class issue
>
> Hi again,
>
> I agree with Tere, I dont see a onflict of interest here. As far as I am
> aware, one can publish in a journal and then with the journal's permission
> (which is always given), publish the same or similar piece in a book or an
> edited volume. It has happened a lot especially with work in progress. In
> fact, in british academic terms, the last Research Assessment Exercise,
> the
> same/similar piece of work, if published by two different venues could
> count
> twice (this was not so in the RAE before that).
>
> This is technical stuff, my point really is that some people's work might
> be
> suitable for C&C (if it goes through as its editors can be difficult), and
> others an edited volume somewhere, some can do both, they do not exclude
> each other (its allowed!) and much more so, since work progresses, and by
> the time a book comes up, material will be expanded and better to publish
> anyway.
>
> Hope you are all in a creative pre christmas mood
> cheers
>
> athina
>
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2007 7:32 PM, Tere Vadén <tere.vaden at uta.fi> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I do remember that Andreas mentioned in an early e-mail that a journal
> > was interested in the possible papers of the seminar. I think he might
> > even have said something on this in the final discussion. I didn't react
> > then or later 'cause I didn't perceive any conflict of interest. As I
> > understood it, Andreas had in mind a publication of the papers of the
> > seminar, with possible influence from the journal, while Phoebe's idea
> > was more a special issue around the themes. In any case, I myself expect
> > to keep on writing on these issues and any number of possible
> > publication venues is fine for me. So, the proposal I sent to Phoebe
> > involves a second author, a colleague of mine, and would tilt things
> > toward capital and class, and my seminar paper "as is" is still looking
> > for a place to be published...
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > T:T
> >
> > Phoebe Moore wrote:
> > > Hi Andreas et al
> > >
> > > Hmmmmm I guess I wasn't aware that there were other publication ideas
> > > that were going ahead, also sorry to hear that this wasn't necessarily
> > > an agreed item, I was under the impression that it was. I have heard
> > > from nearly all of the speakers with proposals so I am really under
> the
> > > assumption that most people are ok with this. Are there any
> participants
> > > who would prefer to do it another way?
> > >
> > > At the Capital and Class AGM on Saturday, the other editors were very
> > > sympathetic to this idea and I was given the go-ahead to proceed. Not
> > > all papers will necessarily be included, of course: it depends on the
> > > final proposal I assimilate and on the willingness of course, of
> > > participants, to see Capital and Class as an agreeable forum for
> > > publication.
> > >
> > > Does anyone else have insight or comments to make on this?
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > > Phoebe
> > >
> > > Dr Phoebe Moore
> > > Lecturer in International Relations
> > > English, Sociology, Politics and Contemporary History & European
> Studies
> > > Research Institute
> > > University of Salford
> > > Crescent House, Salford
> > > Manchester, M54WT
> > > T: 0161 295 6033
> > > F: 0161 295 5077
> > > IR & Politics: http://www.espach.salford.ac.uk/politics/irp.php
> > > ESRI: http://www.esri.salford.ac.uk
> > > My new book:
> > >
> http://www.amazon.com/Globalisation-Labour-Struggle-Asia-Neo-Gramscian/d
> > > p/1845113780/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-8703029-9815921
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wittel, Andreas [mailto:andreas.wittel at ntu.ac.uk<andreas.wittel at ntu.ac.uk>
> ]
> > > Sent: 01 December 2007 18:07
> > > To: Moore Phoebe
> > > Cc: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> > > Subject: RE: [p2p-research] Capital and Class issue
> > >
> > > Hi Phoebe,
> > >
> > > I don't think that I received your first email, so this one comes a
> bit
> > > as a surprise to me. It seems like your plans of a Capital & Class
> > > special issue are already well developed.
> > > I remember you mentioning this possibility at the workshop, but don't
> > > recall that there was a general agreement to have C&C as first
> > > publication choice. Also this would somehow collide with my idea to
> make
> > > a book with most of the contributions. No publisher would accept a
> book
> > > proposal with contributions that are already published somewhere else.
> > > As aleady indicated in several emails preparing the workshop my first
> > > publication choice would either be an edited book or a special issue
> > > with a well recognised journal, and we have aleady an expression of
> > > interest from TCS, which does have a much broader reach than C&C.
> > > For this reason I am still keen on a discussion about core issues
> > > emerging from the workshop (in terms of relevance) and about issues
> > > where participants had different perspectives, standpoints, and
> > > arguments. This debate has not really started yet and after paternity
> > > leave I will sure make some comments on this. For me this debate is
> > > crucial as it will define which theme(s) should be put at the
> forefront
> > > of a publication.
> > > Hope this makes sense,
> > > Andreas
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: p2presearch-bounces at listcultures.org on behalf of Phoebe Moore
> > > Sent: Fri 30/11/2007 14:30
> > > To: Michel Bauwens; Ned Rossiter
> > > Cc: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> > > Subject: [p2p-research] Capital and Class issue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > After my call for papers for the special edition emerging from our
> > > workshop on p2p production at Nottingham Trent, I have received 5
> > > abstracts, three papers, and 2 possible inclusion statements, many
> > > thanks to all of you. If you haven't submitted one to me, please do so
> > > and I'll include you. Please include a short bibliography as well.
> > >
> > > In the special issue I want to put the question of 'ethical
> economy/ies'
> > > at the forefront because I think this discussion brings up a lot of
> > > important points as well as questions regarding measurement of value,
> > > and exchange relations 'outside' of capitalism, and so far I have been
> > > given both proposals that critique, and advocate p2p as an arena for
> > > these possibilities. The proposals so far represent the discussion
> that
> > > is taking place more broadly and Capital and Class will be an
> excellent
> > > forum for this discussion.
> > >
> > > The AGM for the journal is tomorrow and I've 'warned' them of my
> > > intention to create this special issue. I'll be in touch with you
> after
> > > the meeting with more details of what will be required. At this rate,
> > > the papers will not need to be very long and I'd probably make a
> > > deadline for next March or so (just something to bear in mind).
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > > Phoebe
> > >
> > >
> > > Dr Phoebe Moore
> > >
> > > Lecturer in International Relations
> > >
> > > English, Sociology, Politics and Contemporary History & European
> Studies
> > > Research Institute
> > >
> > > University of Salford
> > >
> > > Crescent House, Salford
> > >
> > > Manchester, M54WT
> > >
> > > T: 0161 295 6033
> > >
> > > F: 0161 295 5077
> > >
> > > IR & Politics: http://www.espach.salford.ac.uk/politics/irp.php
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> > > My new book:
> > >
> http://www.amazon.com/Globalisation-Labour-Struggle-Asia-Neo-Gramscian/d
> > > p/1845113780/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-8703029-9815921
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