[p2p-research] discussion on Capital and Class issue

Tue Dec 4 13:12:50 CET 2007

Hello everyone,

I agree with Athina and Tere: that two different venues have expressed an interest in publishing our work should be interpreted as something very positive. Neither do I see a conflict of interest here: as Athina and Tere say, we could publish in both spaces. In the present case, I have already sent Phoebe an abstract for a paper co-authored with J. Soderberg to include in her proposal to C&C. But in parallel I could prepape a text for TCS - or any other journal for that matter - based on my presentation at the workshop. What I'm saying is what Tere and Athina have already said: we could publish in both venues. 

Best regards,

george

-----Original Message-----
From: p2presearch-bounces at listcultures.org on behalf of Athina Karatzogianni
Sent: Tue 12/4/2007 12:21 PM
To: Tere Vadén
Cc: p2presearch at listcultures.org
Subject: Re: [p2p-research] discussion on Capital and Class issue

Hi again,

I agree with Tere, I dont see a onflict of interest here. As far as I am
aware, one can publish in a journal and then with the journal's permission
(which is always given), publish the same or similar piece in a book or an
edited volume. It has happened a lot especially with work in progress. In
fact, in british academic terms, the last Research Assessment Exercise, the
same/similar piece of work, if published by two different venues could count
twice (this was not so in the RAE before that).

This is technical stuff, my point really is that some people's work might be
suitable for C&C (if it goes through as its editors can be difficult), and
others an edited volume somewhere, some can do both, they do not exclude
each other (its allowed!) and much more so, since work progresses, and by
the time a book comes up, material will be expanded and better to publish
anyway.

Hope you are all in a creative pre christmas mood
cheers

athina

On Dec 3, 2007 7:32 PM, Tere Vadén <tere.vaden at uta.fi> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I do remember that Andreas mentioned in an early e-mail that a journal
> was interested in the possible papers of the seminar. I think he might
> even have said something on this in the final discussion. I didn't react
> then or later 'cause I didn't perceive any conflict of interest. As I
> understood it, Andreas had in mind a publication of the papers of the
> seminar, with possible influence from the journal, while Phoebe's idea
> was more a special issue around the themes. In any case, I myself expect
> to keep on writing on these issues and any number of possible
> publication venues is fine for me. So, the proposal I sent to Phoebe
> involves a second author, a colleague of mine, and would tilt things
> toward capital and class, and my seminar paper "as is" is still looking
> for a place to be published...
>
> Best,
>
> T:T
>
> Phoebe Moore wrote:
> > Hi Andreas et al
> >
> > Hmmmmm I guess I wasn't aware that there were other publication ideas
> > that were going ahead, also sorry to hear that this wasn't necessarily
> > an agreed item, I was under the impression that it was. I have heard
> > from nearly all of the speakers with proposals so I am really under the
> > assumption that most people are ok with this. Are there any participants
> > who would prefer to do it another way?
> >
> > At the Capital and Class AGM on Saturday, the other editors were very
> > sympathetic to this idea and I was given the go-ahead to proceed. Not
> > all papers will necessarily be included, of course: it depends on the
> > final proposal I assimilate and on the willingness of course, of
> > participants, to see Capital and Class as an agreeable forum for
> > publication.
> >
> > Does anyone else have insight or comments to make on this?
> >
> > Many thanks
> > Phoebe
> >
> > Dr Phoebe Moore
> > Lecturer in International Relations
> > English, Sociology, Politics and Contemporary History & European Studies
> > Research Institute
> > University of Salford
> > Crescent House, Salford
> > Manchester, M54WT
> > T: 0161 295 6033
> > F: 0161 295 5077
> > IR & Politics: http://www.espach.salford.ac.uk/politics/irp.php
> > ESRI: http://www.esri.salford.ac.uk
> > My new book:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Globalisation-Labour-Struggle-Asia-Neo-Gramscian/d
> > p/1845113780/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-8703029-9815921
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wittel, Andreas [mailto:andreas.wittel at ntu.ac.uk]
> > Sent: 01 December 2007 18:07
> > To: Moore Phoebe
> > Cc: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> > Subject: RE: [p2p-research] Capital and Class issue
> >
> > Hi Phoebe,
> >
> > I don't think that I received your first email, so this one comes a bit
> > as a surprise to me. It seems like your plans of a Capital & Class
> > special issue are already well developed.
> > I remember you mentioning this possibility at the workshop, but don't
> > recall that there was a general agreement to have C&C as first
> > publication choice. Also this would somehow collide with my idea to make
> > a book with most of the contributions. No publisher would accept a book
> > proposal with contributions that are already published somewhere else.
> > As aleady indicated in several emails preparing the workshop my first
> > publication choice would either be an edited book or a special issue
> > with a well recognised journal, and we have aleady an expression of
> > interest from TCS, which does have a much broader reach than C&C.
> > For this reason I am still keen on a discussion about core issues
> > emerging from the workshop (in terms of relevance) and about issues
> > where participants had different perspectives, standpoints, and
> > arguments. This debate has not really started yet and after paternity
> > leave I will sure make some comments on this. For me this debate is
> > crucial as it will define which theme(s) should be put at the forefront
> > of a publication.
> > Hope this makes sense,
> > Andreas
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: p2presearch-bounces at listcultures.org on behalf of Phoebe Moore
> > Sent: Fri 30/11/2007 14:30
> > To: Michel Bauwens; Ned Rossiter
> > Cc: p2presearch at listcultures.org
> > Subject: [p2p-research] Capital and Class issue
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > After my call for papers for the special edition emerging from our
> > workshop on p2p production at Nottingham Trent, I have received 5
> > abstracts, three papers, and 2 possible inclusion statements, many
> > thanks to all of you. If you haven't submitted one to me, please do so
> > and I'll include you. Please include a short bibliography as well.
> >
> > In the special issue I want to put the question of 'ethical economy/ies'
> > at the forefront because I think this discussion brings up a lot of
> > important points as well as questions regarding measurement of value,
> > and exchange relations 'outside' of capitalism, and so far I have been
> > given both proposals that critique, and advocate p2p as an arena for
> > these possibilities. The proposals so far represent the discussion that
> > is taking place more broadly and Capital and Class will be an excellent
> > forum for this discussion.
> >
> > The AGM for the journal is tomorrow and I've 'warned' them of my
> > intention to create this special issue. I'll be in touch with you after
> > the meeting with more details of what will be required. At this rate,
> > the papers will not need to be very long and I'd probably make a
> > deadline for next March or so (just something to bear in mind).
> >
> > Many thanks
> > Phoebe
> >
> >
> > Dr Phoebe Moore
> >
> > Lecturer in International Relations
> >
> > English, Sociology, Politics and Contemporary History & European Studies
> > Research Institute
> >
> > University of Salford
> >
> > Crescent House, Salford
> >
> > Manchester, M54WT
> >
> > T: 0161 295 6033
> >
> > F: 0161 295 5077
> >
> > IR & Politics: http://www.espach.salford.ac.uk/politics/irp.php
> > <https://staffwebmail.salford.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www
> > .espach.salford.ac.uk/politics/irp.php>
> >
> > ESRI: http://www.esri.salford.ac.uk <http://www.esri.salford.ac.uk/>
> > <https://staffwebmail.salford.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www
> > .esri.salford.ac.uk>
> >
> > My new book:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Globalisation-Labour-Struggle-Asia-Neo-Gramscian/d
> > p/1845113780/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-8703029-9815921
> > <https://staffwebmail.salford.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www
> > .amazon.com/Globalisation-Labour-Struggle-Asia-Neo-Gramscian/dp/18451137
> > 80/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/104-8703029-9815921>
> >
> >
> >
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-- 
Dr Athina Karatzogianni
Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
The University of Hull
United Kingdom
HU6 7RX

Check out Athina's work:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyberconflict-Routledge-Research-Information-Technology/dp/0415396840/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Power-Resistance-Conflict-Contemporary-World/dp/0415452988/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyber-conflict-Politics-Contemporary-Security-Studies/dp/0415459702/

Press interviews:

France:http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0,36-924253,0.html
Greece:http://www.enet.gr/online/online_text/c=112,id=78490200

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