Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YzPQa-00065g-21 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 13:06:52 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of outlook.com designates 65.54.190.212 as permitted sender) client-ip=65.54.190.212; envelope-from=thyshizzle@outlook.com; helo=BAY004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com; Received: from bay004-omc4s10.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.212]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1YzPQY-0007j4-Id for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 13:06:52 +0000 Received: from BAY403-EAS318 ([65.54.190.199]) by BAY004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 1 Jun 2015 06:06:44 -0700 X-TMN: [sWeOZVoqwLXNbzB+7J1zRGw43zxzORoJ] X-Originating-Email: [thyshizzle@outlook.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_88d19c3b-06cb-4115-9faa-83bf4fb330b9_" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Togami Jr. From: Thy Shizzle Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 23:06:21 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2015 13:06:44.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF72DEF0:01D09C6B] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (thyshizzle[at]outlook.com) -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.54.190.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails -0.5 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address X-Headers-End: 1YzPQY-0007j4-Id Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 13:06:52 -0000 --_88d19c3b-06cb-4115-9faa-83bf4fb330b9_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4fa01e65-b6d0-46ce-b45e-895ea8c6e745_" --_4fa01e65-b6d0-46ce-b45e-895ea8c6e745_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Doesn't mean you should build something that says "fuck you" to the compani= es that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "Oh yea if they can't mine = it how we want stuff 'em" is naive. I get decentralisation=2C but don't dis= incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you're going to hurt th= em=2C esp. Miners that combined hold > 50% hashing power=2C why would you s= ay too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoin out of adopters wal= lets? Same thing. ________________________________ From: Warren Togami Jr. Sent: =E2=80=8E1/=E2=80=8E06/=E2=80=8E2015 10:30 PM Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements Whilst it would be nice if miners in *outside* China can carry on forever regardless of their internet situation=2C nobody has any inherent "right" t= o mine if they can't do the job - if miners in *outside* China can't get the trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their firewall *TO THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE* and end up being outcompeted then OK=2C too bad= =2C we'll have to carry on without them. On Mon=2C Jun 1=2C 2015 at 12:13 AM=2C Mike Hearn wrote: > Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever regardles= s > of their internet situation=2C nobody has any inherent "right" to mine if > they can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the trivial amounts = of > bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being outcompeted th= en > OK=2C too bad=2C we'll have to carry on without them. > > But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run a node > on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > --_4fa01e65-b6d0-46ce-b45e-895ea8c6e745_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Does= n't mean you should build something that says "=3Bfuck you"=3B to t= he companies that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "=3BOh yea if= they can't mine it how we want stuff 'em"=3B is naive. I get decentral= isation=2C but don't dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you're go= ing to hurt them=2C esp. Miners that combined hold >=3B 50% hashing power= =2C why would you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoin = out of adopters wallets? Same thing.
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Whils= t it would be nice if miners in outside China can carry on forever regardless of= their internet situation=2C nobody has any inherent "=3Bright"=3B = to mine if they can't do the job - if miners in =3Boutside China can't get the trivial amoun= ts of bandwidth required through their firewall TO THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE<= /b> and end up being outcompeted then OK=2C too bad=2C we'll have to carry = on without them.

On Mon=2C Jun 1=2C 2015 at 12:13 AM=2C Mike He= arn <=3Bmike@plan99.net<= /a>>=3B wrote:
Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can= carry on forever regardless of their internet situation=2C nobody has any = inherent "=3Bright"=3B to mine if they can't do the job - if miners= in China can't get the trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being outcompeted then OK=2C to= o bad=2C we'll have to carry on without them.

But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. = They can always run a node on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware t= o it via a VPN or so.

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