Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YzUhL-00065X-EZ for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:44:31 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.197]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1YzUhJ-0005Zi-DK for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:44:31 +0000 Received: from mail-qk0-f177.google.com ([209.85.220.177]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lh4jp-1ZTs2q2d0h-00oYt8 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:44:23 +0200 Received: by qkhg32 with SMTP id g32so88846679qkh.0 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:44:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.17.95 with SMTP id b92mr40666163qkh.16.1433184262918; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.112.164 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:44:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 19:44:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: Adam Back To: Mike Hearn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:uSGcxAKnyKEkOWF53SCrhkfQ3KhbM2eC2qx+kugQ2aoJOZ5kw+L FSSIP+d8vmIzOVJAuFQ/Cd1fD8I1djXeGU1ofAftYAsq2Afiw/NVaJplxXlKqryDIsAh0Yz QP+aXQQR1+lRW3rrt8Icm5ibGVKGgy5l60EJQ6FitfHxg/bqdbYfNUjBKkK5dY7kz3jXkmY cmYso0zU2vALp8tE1oF4Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:R6eDi+PB2wg=:SrV06Tw6TcXT+5cxCr0Hh4 CVEXUXmBHGLedBhdosxd1nPsM6OYO9KrMZxeI4SsF6UudqzYKIMMVN02JRtoosqSkX3J1wzne b6up3LQzGyWvDHWFroLjCKekv5dWiHsfqWths9RBIAVebwxefh6WneujjNPs3qOgl8mw/Bkvp KtdETPaqiQfAf3n0hLjjywyAZfnud4VG3vY7Y8SXwmCuDx4FC+gHg9SGUImRf69o+NAl/IeYV PCzSfrH1bdWV5SKBtaMadXtTf5r1W3LaWmez32dAi4HLzuhU7dyqPd8aYZnpQGFE8kzbh60kx 0W/gtKPzBDtQrRtD7t+oU5HNVpjU8ndP28h9nxPVzU+Kcwdi+WwI00Gc7O+LeL3rteDacWgUN 0+iIEXyNUpxwpTBN1PpkIHBtcwUToDOXricUw5HJBnAlYwMRrNVJx352naF9208xUGcNK38TV 3maNrgsUcfSp4RfrbhPXRi0//HFx92mhWdVtcFD8rxg+J5XCW9vtqnYeVuMtl2JEYYVe/yQdR ihtUzK8ipIpAFTmUTMisMyKE8pZvYLhI6SBu0kL0S6sPvIBAaAQdtjzQSkgZHXq6sIgW3ijsA SU0gTQHOOgNXAQAOmLDpf+YkU/4tqBGWThligUGI1i0G3uGQ9dGo0cCi6dX0+PtAsZFjgplh3 9D/Md74VO9ZgmJU4glqysxtuz/BL4rQsEENGT11IppQuabw== X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [74.208.4.197 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1YzUhJ-0005Zi-DK Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:44:31 -0000 So lets rephrase that and say instead more correctly it is the job of miners (collectively) to be well connected globally - and indeed there are incentivised to be or they tend to receive blocks at higher latency and so are at increased risk of orphans. And miner groups with good block latency in-group and high hashrate are definitionally the well connected, so the cost of getting good connectivity to high hashrate groups is naturally borne by people outside of those groups. Or thats the incentive anyway. Adam On 1 June 2015 at 19:30, Mike Hearn wrote: > I don't see this as an issue of sensitivity or not. Miners are businesses > that sell a service to Bitcoin users - the service of ordering transactions > chronologically. They aren't charities. > > If some miners can't provide the service Bitcoin users need any more, then > OK, they should not/cannot mine. Lots of miners have come and gone since > Bitcoin started as different technology generations came and went. That's > just business. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >