Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <pindar.wong@gmail.com>) id 1YzDCi-0008BB-LI for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:03:44 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.212.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.170; envelope-from=pindar.wong@gmail.com; helo=mail-wi0-f170.google.com; Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com ([209.85.212.170]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YzDCg-0002o3-Nb for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:03:44 +0000 Received: by wizo1 with SMTP id o1so84860437wiz.1 for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>; Sun, 31 May 2015 17:03:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.86.73 with SMTP id n9mr15220883wiz.78.1433117016680; Sun, 31 May 2015 17:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.156.226 with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2015 17:03:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CALC81CMR_9KsCa4rr-YbVtXLLA81Sn1RtgUEuaaj5qgPUHUUuw@mail.gmail.com> References: <554BE0E1.5030001@bluematt.me> <CAFzgq-xByQ1E_33_m3UpXQFUkGc78HKnA=7XXMshANDuTkNsvA@mail.gmail.com> <CABsx9T0kbRe31LMwk499MQUw225f5GGd67GfhXBezHmDqxkioA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFzgq-z5WCznGhbOexS0XESNGAVauw45ewEV-1eMij7yDT61=Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAFzgq-zTybEQyGz0nq90u5n5JZcJzxQS_XKaTpr5POJi-tHM6A@mail.gmail.com> <CABsx9T2L5bi-c63-KqSifOMeNayUWSPo0_Hx8VjMR_4=kC3ixg@mail.gmail.com> <CAE28kUT61qYxqV0mOqw5Dan=eMiCvnG2SnsAeWzOWTxwLydyeQ@mail.gmail.com> <CABsx9T2hfpts5y_M6PdDcxmq9Q2smesJ0Nmp9a9iyPD_MoPC9g@mail.gmail.com> <CAE28kUTZV3YsaSCX2d5YwLetnf=f+bOWGrwxLXdZFywTZ=+Pjg@mail.gmail.com> <CALC81CNq-GK5q6R4bmgHL5_Ej2+cZrtQMMLVmuhvMxkZokM3hQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAM7BtUr3msGfp_XiBc-D6=G+b834YhnxVQ_d59EJUE=avxpL1g@mail.gmail.com> <CALC81CMR_9KsCa4rr-YbVtXLLA81Sn1RtgUEuaaj5qgPUHUUuw@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:03:36 +0800 Message-ID: <CAM7BtUo7dGrFqLy-Rj5V6Xb0rtNPE2CMtUfdS8FcT=VSbW9x1Q@mail.gmail.com> From: Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com> To: Ricardo Filipe <ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442806eb370b80517698e89 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (pindar.wong[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1YzDCg-0002o3-Nb Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:03:44 -0000 --f46d0442806eb370b80517698e89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Ricardo Filipe <ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com> wrote: > 2015-06-01 0:40 GMT+01:00 Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com>: > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Ricardo Filipe < > ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> He also said that the equation for miners has many variables, as it > >> should. There is no disadvantage if the network speed is the same > >> between the miners. > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Is that an assumption? > no, let me rephrase: The disadvantage alex refers to only exists if > miners do not have the same network speed. > > > > >> If there is a difference in network speed, the > >> miner is incentivized to invest in their network infrastructure. > > > > > > Perhaps it's best not to assume that investing in Internet network > > infrastructure's a free or open market everywhere. > Just like easy ASIC access, low price electricity, etc are not a free > and open market. > -- point well made and taken. p. > > > > > p. > > > >> > >> > >> 2015-05-31 23:55 GMT+01:00 Alex Mizrahi <alex.mizrahi@gmail.com>: > >> >> Yes, if you are on a slow network then you are at a (slight) > >> >> disadvantage. > >> >> So? > >> > > >> > > >> > Chun mentioned that his pool is on a slow network, and thus bigger > >> > blocks > >> > give it an disadvantage. (Orphan rate is proportional to block size.) > >> > You said that no, on contrary those who make big blocks have a > >> > disadvantage. > >> > And now you say that yes, this disadvantage exist. > >> > > >> > Did you just lie to Chun? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Bitcoin-development mailing list > >> > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bitcoin-development mailing list > >> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > > > > --f46d0442806eb370b80517698e89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo= te">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Ricardo Filipe <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a= href=3D"mailto:ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ricardojdfilip= e@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl= e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span c= lass=3D"">2015-06-01 0:40 GMT+01:00 Pindar Wong <<a href=3D"mailto:pinda= r.wong@gmail.com">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>>:<br> ><br> ><br> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Ricardo Filipe <<a href=3D"mailto:r= icardojdfilipe@gmail.com">ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com</a>><br> > wrote:<br> >><br> >> He also said that the equation for miners has many variables, as i= t<br> >> should. There is no disadvantage if the network speed is the same<= br> >> between the miners.<br> ><br> ><br> > Hi,<br> ><br> > Is that an assumption?<br> </span>no, let me rephrase: The disadvantage alex refers to only exists if<= br> miners do not have the same network speed.<br> <span class=3D""><br> ><br> >> If there is a difference in network speed, the<br> >> miner is incentivized to invest in their network infrastructure.<b= r> ><br> ><br> > Perhaps it's best not to=C2=A0 assume that investing in Internet n= etwork<br> > infrastructure's a free or open market everywhere.<br> </span>Just like easy ASIC access, low price electricity, etc are not a fre= e<br> and open market.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-- point well made and= taken.=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br></div><div>p.<br>=C2=A0<br></div><blockquo= te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so= lid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br> ><br> > p.<br> ><br> >><br> >><br> >> 2015-05-31 23:55 GMT+01:00 Alex Mizrahi <<a href=3D"mailto:alex= .mizrahi@gmail.com">alex.mizrahi@gmail.com</a>>:<br> >> >> Yes, if you are on a slow network then you are at a (slig= ht)<br> >> >> disadvantage.<br> >> >> So?<br> >> ><br> >> ><br> >> > Chun mentioned that his pool is on a slow network, and thus b= igger<br> >> > blocks<br> >> > give it an disadvantage. (Orphan rate is proportional to bloc= k size.)<br> >> > You said that no, on contrary those who make big blocks have = a<br> >> > disadvantage.<br> >> > And now you say that yes, this disadvantage exist.<br> >> ><br> >> > Did you just lie to Chun?<br> >> ><br> >> ><br> >> ><br> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------= -----------------<br> >> ><br> >> > _______________________________________________<br> >> > Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> >> > <a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">= Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> >> > <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitco= in-development" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listi= nfo/bitcoin-development</a><br> >> ><br> >><br> >><br> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------<br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> >> <a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitco= in-development@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> >> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de= velopment" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/b= itcoin-development</a><br> ><br> ><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div> --f46d0442806eb370b80517698e89--