Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E3DC0001 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1828D400CA for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:44:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dKhtV8t5PgBA for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:44:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net (relay10.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.230]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E349F400C4 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sogo1.sd4.0x35.net (sogo1.sd4.0x35.net [10.200.201.51]) (Authenticated sender: email@yancy.lol) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A58FC240002; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:44:39 +0000 (UTC) From: "email@yancy.lol" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_=-_OpenGroupware_org_NGMime-662-1615664679.239905-108------" X-Forward: 127.0.0.1 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 20:44:39 +0100 To: "Lonero Foundation" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <296-604d1600-db-42a1fb80@93437088> User-Agent: SOGoMail 5.0.1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 22:53:20 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] =?utf-8?q?BIP_Proposal=3A_Consensus_=28hard_fork=29?= =?utf-8?q?_PoST_Datastore_for_Energy_Efficient_Mining?= X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:44:46 -0000 ------=_=-_OpenGroupware_org_NGMime-662-1615664679.239905-108------ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4252 My mistake for thinking your text was generated text, and my humor was = not meant to be directed at you, so apologies if you took it personally= .=C2=A0 PS: The AI overlord is no joke Cheers, -Yancy On Saturday, March 13, 2021 18:11 CET, Lonero Foundation wrote: =C2=A0Hi, no worries. I made the changes now in the GitHub repository a= nd pull request. I'm hoping for a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, = and I guess the sense of humor.=C2=A0Best regards, Andrew=C2=A0On Sat, = Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy wrote:Ok thanks.=C2=A0 U= sing the correct terminology helps people understand what you're talkin= g about and take you seriously. Cheers, -Yancy=C2=A0 Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation = :Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorithm= and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to=C2= =A0asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation. I should h= ave used a different term though instead of, "In regards to cryptograph= ic hashing,", I should have stated in regards to cryptographic key vali= dation. There are a few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I s= hould make in order to not draw confusion. I will do a repo update toda= y. Honest mistake, but enough with the sarcasm.=C2=A0Best regards, Andr= ew=C2=A0On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol = wrote: My email was not intended as an insult.=C2=A0 Your proposal seemed a bi= t like gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed out before (= such as conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genuinely curio= us if you were a bot spamming the list.=C2=A0 Maybe a more interesting topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?=C2= =A0 How long before our AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?=C2= =A0 At what point will the AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?=C2= =A0 Will we have lost the war to our new centralized overlord? Cheers, -Yancy On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation wrote: =C2=A0Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation cr= yptography in that aspect: https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-c= ryptography-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-v= erify-examples.htmlMy BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I wa= nt to develop proofs for and the different cryptographic elements I wan= t to develop proofs for.That said to those who disagree with the premis= e, I do prefer constructive feedback over insults or making fun of one = another. After all this is an improvement proposal with a specific purp= ose aiming to develop a specific thing, not a guy who is just wanting t= o copy and paste a repository and call it a day.=C2=A0Best regards, And= rew=C2=A0On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation wrote:Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point= isn't just to create a BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Go= ld, or SV. The main point in regards to this BIP actually expands POW r= ather than replaces or creates an alternative. Many of the problems fac= ed in regards to security in the future as well as sustainability is so= mething I believe lots of the changes I am proposing can fix. In regard= s to technological implementation, once this is assigned draft status I= am more than willing to create preprints explaining the cryptography, = hashing algorithm improvements, and consensus that I am working on. Thi= s is a highly technologically complex idea that I am willing to "call m= y bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a draft, I think this is a= good starting point at least for draft status prior to working on tech= nological implementation.=C2=A0Best regards, Andrew=C2=A0On Fri, Mar 12= , 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol wrote:I think Andre= w himself is an algo.=C2=A0 The crypto training set must not be very go= od. Cheers, -Yancy On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev = wrote: =C2=A0=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ------=_=-_OpenGroupware_org_NGMime-662-1615664679.239905-108------ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 8702

My mistake for thinking your text was generated text, and my humo= r was not meant to be directed at you, so apologies if you took it pers= onally.

 

PS: The AI overlord is no joke
Cheers,
-Yancy

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 18:1= 1 CET, Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Hi, no wor= ries. I made the changes now in the GitHub repository and pull request.= I'm hoping for a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, and I guess the = sense of humor.
 
Best reg= ards, Andrew
 
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy <em= ail@yancy.lol> wrote:
Ok thanks.  Using the corr= ect terminology helps people understand what you're talking about and t= ake you seriously.

Cheers,
-Yancy<= /span>
 

Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com>:

Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing alg= orithm and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring= to asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation= . I should have used a different term though instead of, "In regards to= cryptographic hashing,", I should have stated in regards to cryptograp= hic key validation. There are a few other dubious clarifications or min= or edits I should make in order to not draw confusion. I will do a repo= update today. Honest mistake, but enough with the sarcasm.
 
Best regards, Andrew
 
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol= > wrote:

My email was not intended as an insult.  Your proposal s= eemed a bit like gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed ou= t before (such as conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genui= nely curious if you were a bot spamming the list.

 

<= span style=3D"background-color:transparent;font-variant:normal;white-sp= ace:pre-wrap;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseli= ne;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:normal">Maybe a more int= eresting topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?  How long b= efore our AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?  At what p= oint will the AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?  Will we = have lost the war to our new centralized overlord?


Chee= rs,
-Yancy


On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET,= Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com= > wrote:
 
Also, I already stated I was referring to signature val= idation cryptography in that aspect: https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography= -for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examp= les.html
My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what = I want to develop proofs for and the different cryptographic elements I= want to develop proofs for.
That said to those who disagree = with the premise, I do prefer constructive feedback over insults or mak= ing fun of one another. After all this is an improvement proposal with = a specific purpose aiming to develop a specific thing, not a guy who is= just wanting to copy and paste a repository and call it a day.
 
Best regards, Andrew
 
On Fri, Mar 12,= 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation <loneroassoc= iation@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I also want to emphasiz= e that my main point isn't just to create a BTC hardfork or become anot= her Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main point in regards to this BIP ac= tually expands POW rather than replaces or creates an alternative. Many= of the problems faced in regards to security in the future as well as = sustainability is something I believe lots of the changes I am proposin= g can fix. In regards to technological implementation, once this is ass= igned draft status I am more than willing to create preprints explainin= g the cryptography, hashing algorithm improvements, and consensus that = I am working on. This is a highly technologically complex idea that I a= m willing to "call my bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a draf= t, I think this is a good starting point at least for draft status prio= r to working on technological implementation.
 
Best regards, Andrew
 
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM e= mail@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote:
I think Andrew himself is an algo.&= nbsp; The crypto training set must not be very good.

Cheers,=
-Yancy

On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Fou= ndation via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@= lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
 
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