Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4003CCA0 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 05:14:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wm0-f43.google.com (mail-wm0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1896604 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 05:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f43.google.com with SMTP id x2-v6so8794260wmh.5 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:14:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=yqFQ9d4qpKKbUhLPJkAW5WApZKfBBmrJ4EyjaYJwd98=; b=N89bi8X2Q5UJbg0U0gx/Y+/XdCsZ7plqoeX7VZin36yLL/D+NEUdjHd6Kzlys3pz1J XaAZ+JeDvLeunDJs7qR06NcFR2UqdXGEty8CUSqLhftw+Y3MnlrxpYFiCwslMldjuYAT 0rUKpU0TX5/J4qq8M76I9VuyINMCPaOTANDhlu/pjjvR6jFG/2HrzdsEiJHsSBu3GQO6 MEzkHGH+S5Ft1atZSHwNCkeqcpGqd5vCB/Dt0lmyzwu2Vz/B8YfJNn1N/JVy5qD02+Oc KVsAG8ZI7KKWDE3OXBVBuBpZDMiDkKaAaDFOe0yKwsYIyn7e8QLXShgddNQDoQWZ/+eO NJRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=yqFQ9d4qpKKbUhLPJkAW5WApZKfBBmrJ4EyjaYJwd98=; b=WFzT98ESOCZ2y9Q0B6oTCJDuWh4dOfCBdgZwCHKMFHq89su/XaDCHqgWp+NEtTjwGZ 971JoC/OBTEnkqyL0U75SDEIXKlJw1N+z6B/KDo18g2V5FBXIy9Z27iQ3fOs2qh7dObH kxhjs/AMivfPPNmjwrStuYnfugLYHp8X+pMAq0mSTRkepIrY++TwZYC+nMrOgzu/wEQ0 Tu2HQ4YXQxE1h0DUvLUGc5gYuKxWg+0y4DUILeaXGOHeI68ruSsri28qw/EQ9um6h2YL 7S23mKCyw+LMKX6OvKHvgllZH8Zl/6m/ZpGCzoeXlhSZcQqu9O0W2UN6RBxYzZf3weyD KKYw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwcXeEi8PriMUPePoECRF+xVOPvJdxTenfRbstwj+EY3oUPKp8Oe 1MjWDxdzCQn+kVPAW1C0sZlfc9T8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJ78oRCm9WGOBqZWZgrEnFU6XRi/AQ7j2tPy0fVfsuEorc6dVi4ruItTENQWnkl5/iRrDVBYg== X-Received: by 2002:a50:ddc4:: with SMTP id x4-v6mr18926258edk.221.1528002876531; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.54.108.250] ([88.128.80.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y14-v6sm24931028ede.56.2018.06.02.22.14.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:14:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tamas Blummer Message-Id: <37BECD1A-7515-4081-85AC-871B9FB57772@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_861E08A3-2CC3-4A02-930A-A25EA41EF9F9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 07:14:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: Gregory Maxwell References: <7E4FA664-BBAF-421F-8C37-D7CE3AA5310A@gmail.com> <20180602124157.744x7j4u7dqtaa43@email> <343A3542-3103-42E9-95B7-640DFE958FFA@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 05:56:18 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP 158 Flexibility and Filter Size X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 05:14:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_861E08A3-2CC3-4A02-930A-A25EA41EF9F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lighter but SPV secure nodes (filter committed) would help the network = (esp. Layer 2) to grow mesh like, but add more user that blindly follow = POW. On longer term most users' security will be determined by either trusted = hubs or POW. I do not know which is worse, but we should at least offer the choice to = the user, therefore commit filters. Tamas Blummer > On Jun 3, 2018, at 02:28, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >=20 > pretty much us that all these filter things are a total waste of time. --Apple-Mail=_861E08A3-2CC3-4A02-930A-A25EA41EF9F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEE6YNJViYMM6Iv5f9e9nKRxRdxORwFAlsTeToACgkQ9nKRxRdx ORxu4ggAnFS/nWi7xkbElbtdX0yVHQZBaH1GssqFHS0mbanCFmoEj4V6lKDmqy5U j0S2G8M2oKfzGobVe7kb+AakwRzP4xg7SbdCToK25bjpVuDi5zyXSYYBuRya1ywT KaFo684H8esFBOOvLOrPjCVi8ukYFvtuBr5vBn62fgv0J1ze/H4ZmqwrfY9lxy4R Mgt6wZNbQMrMWuZNUlidYmEzGwtTb2/BCPRa3x19LFx1jtIU/jm7YJ50Ld33utsG CYiHxZ9pDqj2csZTX9sIOKmSYn1QJvdAFujco4i5j94jsN+7dfjkrG6e/dAB4xdc EZO7qnVk/el33PHQi8Ccc18Fdo/MpQ== =0Ujo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_861E08A3-2CC3-4A02-930A-A25EA41EF9F9--