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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:13:36 +0100
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I fully agree, please keep friendly environment on this list. Btw I also
met people who were making fun about Peter's reactions on bitcoin-dev.

slush


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would echo the need for some kind of moderation.
>
> I believe Peter Todd is an extremely intelligent individual, who has a
> lot to offer the Bitcoin community.  He has a firm grasp of a lot of
> really deep Bitcoin concepts and his *technical* insight is generally
> positive.  Technically.  But the way he communicates on this list is
> *extremely* corrosive and breeds hostility.  It makes it a scary place
> to discuss things, with frequent, public ridicule of everything posted.
>
> I agree that I would rather have a friendly environment to discuss
> technicals, even if it means losing additional technical insight.
> People who would explicitly insult other contributors intelligence and
> character on a public list should be subject to some kind of negative
> reinforcement.   Maybe there's solutions other than outright banning.
>
> -Alan
>
>
>
> On 03/25/2014 01:37 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote:
> >> For someone with 'Chief Scientist' as their job title, I'm surprised you
> >> think so little of hard evidence and so much of idol worshipping.
> > Peter, take this unprofessional, personal crap off-list.
> >
> > Mike's anecdote of hostility is not an isolated one.  Just today, a
> > bitcore developer commented on "Peter Todd's ..apocalyptic vision
> > and... negative view on bitcoin" which turned off some other
> > developers from participating more interactively.
> >
> > As I commented on IRC, open source projects are no strangers to people
> > who simultaneously (a) make useful contributions and (b) turn
> > potential contributors away with an abrasive or hostile attitude
> > toward others.  It's an unsolved problem in OSS, that I saw for 15+
> > years in the Linux kernel community.
> >
> > For this list, as Mike suggested on IRC, introducing an openly stated
> > moderation policy may be the one route.
> >
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I fully agree, please keep friendly environment on this li=
st. Btw I also met people who were making fun about Peter&#39;s reactions o=
n bitcoin-dev.<div><br></div><div>slush</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a">

<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Alan Re=
iner <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:etotheipi@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">etotheipi@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">

I would echo the need for some kind of moderation.<br>
<br>
I believe Peter Todd is an extremely intelligent individual, who has a<br>
lot to offer the Bitcoin community. =A0He has a firm grasp of a lot of<br>
really deep Bitcoin concepts and his *technical* insight is generally<br>
positive. =A0Technically. =A0But the way he communicates on this list is<br=
>
*extremely* corrosive and breeds hostility. =A0It makes it a scary place<br=
>
to discuss things, with frequent, public ridicule of everything posted.<br>
<br>
I agree that I would rather have a friendly environment to discuss<br>
technicals, even if it means losing additional technical insight.<br>
People who would explicitly insult other contributors intelligence and<br>
character on a public list should be subject to some kind of negative<br>
reinforcement. =A0 Maybe there&#39;s solutions other than outright banning.=
<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-Alan<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 03/25/2014 01:37 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote:<br>
&gt; On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Peter Todd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pete=
@petertodd.org">pete@petertodd.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; For someone with &#39;Chief Scientist&#39; as their job title, I&#=
39;m surprised you<br>
&gt;&gt; think so little of hard evidence and so much of idol worshipping.<=
br>
&gt; Peter, take this unprofessional, personal crap off-list.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Mike&#39;s anecdote of hostility is not an isolated one. =A0Just today=
, a<br>
&gt; bitcore developer commented on &quot;Peter Todd&#39;s ..apocalyptic vi=
sion<br>
&gt; and... negative view on bitcoin&quot; which turned off some other<br>
&gt; developers from participating more interactively.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; As I commented on IRC, open source projects are no strangers to people=
<br>
&gt; who simultaneously (a) make useful contributions and (b) turn<br>
&gt; potential contributors away with an abrasive or hostile attitude<br>
&gt; toward others. =A0It&#39;s an unsolved problem in OSS, that I saw for =
15+<br>
&gt; years in the Linux kernel community.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; For this list, as Mike suggested on IRC, introducing an openly stated<=
br>
&gt; moderation policy may be the one route.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
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applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,<br>
this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!<br>
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