Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YzNas-0000Gl-Ef for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:09:22 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.212.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.178; envelope-from=pindar.wong@gmail.com; helo=mail-wi0-f178.google.com; Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com ([209.85.212.178]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YzNaq-0004ly-6Y for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:09:22 +0000 Received: by wibut5 with SMTP id ut5so34922469wib.1 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 04:09:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.84.179 with SMTP id a19mr39274556wjz.29.1433156954147; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 04:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.156.226 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 04:09:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <554BE0E1.5030001@bluematt.me> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 19:09:13 +0800 Message-ID: From: Pindar Wong To: Chun Wang <1240902@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcfa0a28d233051772db3e X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (pindar.wong[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1YzNaq-0004ly-6Y Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:09:22 -0000 --047d7bfcfa0a28d233051772db3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think it would be helpful if we could all *chill* and focus on the solid engineering necessary to make Bitcoin succeed. p. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Chun Wang <1240902@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > > Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever > regardless > > of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent "right" to mine if > they > > can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the trivial amounts of > > bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being outcompeted > then > > OK, too bad, we'll have to carry on without them. > > > > But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run a node > on > > a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so. > > Ignorant. You seem do not understand the current situation. We > suffered from orphans a lot when we started in 2013. It is now your > turn. If Western miners do not find a China-based VPN into China, or > if Western pools do not manage to improve their connectivity to China, > or run a node in China, it would be them to have higher orphans, not > us. Because we have 50%+. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > --047d7bfcfa0a28d233051772db3e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think it would be helpful if we could all *chill* a= nd focus on the solid engineering necessary to make Bitcoin succeed.
p.


= On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Chun Wang <1240902@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 1, = 2015 at 6:13 PM, Mike Hearn <mike@pla= n99.net> wrote:
> Whilst it would be nice if miners in Chi= na can carry on forever regardless
> of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent "right"= to mine if they
> can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the trivial am= ounts of
> bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being outcompeted= then
> OK, too bad, we'll have to carry on without them.
>
> But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run = a node on
> a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so.

Ignorant. You seem do not understand the current situation. We<= br> suffered from orphans a lot when we started in 2013. It is now your
turn. If Western miners do not find a China-based VPN into China, or
if Western pools do not manage to improve their connectivity to China,
or run a node in China, it would be them to have higher orphans, not
us. Because we have 50%+.

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