Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SIPf5-0003EV-Up for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:26:31 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-vx0-f175.google.com ([209.85.220.175]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1SIPf5-000078-9m for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:26:31 +0000 Received: by vcbfl13 with SMTP id fl13so2510161vcb.34 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:26:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=Zx44q3BrDLv7ekDG5su1iFXNBaHNj++4IWpTbTpGaGc=; b=QGdNbkTlMFxiNL30o8W0TIaTDwdVFE2ZdGp0dIjEHxGkqVZwp5K6rGruWLeAXHEGJO Hmk2SiKkSvFrZ6JQbRWQp8lhf7La5AvTdQlNRU4djyH2bNtG6oyHIzcm2x8CGIDsrQnJ dasHS+3bK/Qy53En+ylATeWgyrWIuJZdBUDHyvTiFWF/X6oOkSDRPYZil0BQpxjzTGIZ D2VU8Vig5FcxKX2GUegAx9jdEAE6wBjb9hQoqTXERFDOOK1lGYSutcqvux33NKbhy7gh gvd2OPqH9lRasmHxtfg/zZIY247WTH4De1B34GWZYO7IfiQdjiKGoKRady2nwVgF4kfo cEhg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.178.225 with SMTP id db1mr1564364vdc.26.1334258785746; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.109.33 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:26:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [99.43.178.25] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Garzik To: Alan Reiner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnS4xoYo9c8q6EExRGWRD/IpXwiC1NVY43oGkjYxiVdlsFBbWCngslwJED/5mHG5BTANRhH X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1SIPf5-000078-9m Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin TX fill-or-kill deterministic behavior X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:26:32 -0000 On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alan Reiner wrote: > My one big concern about this that users find a way to exploit this behav= ior > for themselves. =A0If it's too easy for users to create tx they know will= get > stuck and expire, it's no different than letting them cancel their zero-c= onf > transactions. =A0i.e. I pay 0.5 BTC in a store for a candy bar, so I send= it > using a combination of inputs and fees that I know will lead to it being > stuck and expire. > > On the other hand, if such conditions are deterministic enough, it could = be > detected by the recipient and flagged. > > It's not a huge deal, but it's something to consider. Do you have a -specific- concern that you feel may be exploited? Expiration already occurs at random, as nodes shut down and restart, log on and log off the network. --=20 Jeff Garzik exMULTI, Inc. jgarzik@exmulti.com