Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F56C1B72 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:39:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B599206 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so36966067wic.0 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vrHHdk+25QCJR3TRmltek1O1V8rxa0C6Wz2OQzJoTak=; b=R7sJDmxn4gNxVL/iEnpGqidS1+NsZARRy81KFVNoIzgR7CQqYlWGhPloQHDD7daf39 COgRgODTZqDn6p7giB7fhk/6rt/o+BiEwm1iAuedPjpF+ROa2PLmWIM0rzR55GBHnfA/ zunEkQ+38szISj2py0vNVkKFRTmxYlPjBhVhZVVWXpv1NFzAXiOotUSRuXd+1wDpZKQr r8oQ3MsMWqYtI31xPZJI9sxHQ3L+NocvN5BvA/h336uz11VXBpjNBO29n6ZqtK6q7Y/m r5viwFwM3Ajzh16HN+YTwqB0q1CoHQL2qnFZaXKJWQuJrYr+pIN32IOMSHNN+weJmfy+ 9PPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.90.229 with SMTP id bz5mr4644215wib.46.1443717579291; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.158.9 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150927185031.GA20599@savin.petertodd.org> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:39:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Garzik To: Tao Effect Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043be2767841fa05210db175 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,PLING_QUERY, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Crossing the line? [Was: Re: Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY!] X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:39:41 -0000 --f46d043be2767841fa05210db175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To reduce the list noise level, drama level and promote inclusion, my own personal preference (list admin hat: off, community member hat: on) is for temporal bans based on temporal circumstances. Default to pro-forgiveness. Also, focus on disruption of the list as a metric, rather than focusing on a specific personality. I do think we're at a bit of a point where we're going around in circles. Given the current reddit hubbub, a bit of a cooling off period is IMO advisable before taking any further action. On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Dear list, > > Mike has made a variety of false and damaging statements about Bitcoin, o= f > which this is but one: > > On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > I coined the term SPV so I know exactly what it means, and bitcoinj > implements it, as does BreadWallet (the other big SPV implementation). > > > On his website Vinumeris.com he writes: > > Vinumeris was founded in 2014 by Mike Hearn, one of the developers of the > Bitcoin digital currency system. > > > On plan99.net there are several embedded videos that refer to him a =E2= =80=9Ccore > developer=E2=80=9D of Bitcoin. And now it seems he is claiming to be Sato= shi. > > It seems to me that Mike=E2=80=99s emails, false statements (like the one= above > about coining SPV), arguments, and his attempts to steal control of Bitco= in > via the contentious Bitcoin XT fork, represent actions that have been > harming and dividing this community for several years now. > > In many communities/tribes, there exists a line that, once crossed, > results in the expulsion of a member from the community. > > So, two questions: > > 1. Does the Bitcoin-devs mailing list have such a line? > 2. If so, does the community feel that Mike Hearn has crossed it? (I > personally feel he has. Multiple times.) > > Thanks for your thoughts, > Greg Slepak > > -- > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing= with > the NSA. > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > --f46d043be2767841fa05210db175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To reduce the list noise level, drama level and promote in= clusion, my own personal preference (list admin hat: off, community member = hat: on) is for temporal bans based on temporal circumstances.=C2=A0 Defaul= t to pro-forgiveness.=C2=A0 Also, focus on disruption of the list as a metr= ic, rather than focusing on a specific personality.

I do= think we're at a bit of a point where we're going around in circle= s.

Given the current reddit hubbub, a bit of a coo= ling off period is IMO advisable before taking any further action.



On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-de= v <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Dear list,

Mike has made a variety of fal= se and damaging statements about Bitcoin, of which this is but one:

On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Mike Hearn vi= a bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
I coined the term SPV so I know ex= actly what it means, and bitcoinj implements it, as does BreadWallet (the o= ther big SPV implementation).

=
On his website Vinumeris.com=C2=A0he writes:

Vinumeris was founded in 2014 by Mike Hearn, one of the develop= ers of the Bitcoin digital currency system.

On <= a href=3D"http://plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">plan99.net=C2=A0there ar= e several embedded videos that refer to him a =E2=80=9Ccore developer=E2=80= =9D of Bitcoin. And now it seems he is claiming to be Satoshi.
It seems to me that Mike=E2=80=99s emails, false statements (l= ike the one above about coining SPV), arguments, and his attempts to steal = control of Bitcoin via the contentious Bitcoin XT fork, represent actions t= hat have been harming and dividing this community for several years now.

In many communities/tribes, there exists a line that= , once crossed, results in the expulsion of a member from the community.

So, two questions:

1. Does = the Bitcoin-devs mailing list have such a line?
2. If so, does th= e community feel that Mike Hearn has crossed it? (I personally feel he has.= Multiple times.)

Thanks for your thoughts,
<= div>Greg Slepak

--<= /span>
Please do not email me anything that you are n= ot comfortable also sharing=C2=A0with the NSA.


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