Return-Path: Received: from silver.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A64C016F for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by silver.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA9A24FA8 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:53:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org Received: from silver.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KD2STVGZRY0h for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:53:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from secmail.pro (secmail.pro [46.226.110.217]) by silver.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8574B24F04 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by secmail.pro (Postfix, from userid 33) id 13FA140EC8; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 02:46:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from secmailw453j7piv.onion (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by secmail.pro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32091192D684; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 17:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee.chiffre@secmail.pro) by giyzk7o6dcunb2ry.onion with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 17:46:41 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5b77933071fa02e900183d8d5e24d866.squirrel@giyzk7o6dcunb2ry.onion> References: <82d90d57-ad07-fc7d-4aca-2b227ac2068d@riseup.net> <5b77933071fa02e900183d8d5e24d866.squirrel@giyzk7o6dcunb2ry.onion> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 17:46:41 -0700 From: "Mr. Lee Chiffre" To: "Mr. Lee Chiffre" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 01:08:08 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Design for a CoinSwap implementation for massively improving Bitcoin privacy and fungibility X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:53:50 -0000 > Coinjoin on Monero can be > compared to ring signatures in Monero from the view of using decoys to > help conceal the source. From this proposal is this to say that > transactions will be at least 12 times larger in size to achieve the > property of privacy that bitcoin is currently missing? > This was a typo. Coinjoin on BITCOIN, can be compared to ring signatures in Monero form the view of using decoys to help conceal the source. The same thing that makes monero transactions large and a scalability concern is the same thing that bitcoin suffers from with using privacy focused transactions.