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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:30:49 +0200
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From: Wladimir <laanwj@gmail.com>
To: sirk390@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Adding request/reply id in messages
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>
>
> I don't understand why you say my proposal would make the protocol more
> stateful. I think it doesn't.
> Each reply is only  the result of the current request only, and there is
> no new session information.
>

I also wondered this. My first thought was that it's basically the same as
the PING message, a nonce that is repeated immediately on reply. This makes
it easier to multiplex operations over a single channel. I'm not against
this basic idea, and it is easy to ignore for clients that don't want to
use it.

I think the state comes in here:

      - inv sends back the requestid given in getblocks or a special value
in case of a notification.
      - addr sends back the requestid given in getaddr or a special value
in case of a notification.

"*command1* sends back the requestid given in *command2*".

This requires keeping state on the connection between command1 and
command2. Arguably, this state already exists in the current protocol, but
I'd rather see it reduced than extended.

Also... Many of the described commands don't need this as they already have
a natural "nonce". For example, the id of the requested block header. If
this is passed in the reply, and the caller can correlate the request and
reply without a special nonce administration.

Wladimir

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t understand why you say my proposa=
l would make the protocol more stateful<span style=3D"line-height:16px;colo=
r:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif=
">. I think it doesn&#39;t.</span></div>


<div>Each reply is only =C2=A0the result of the current request=C2=A0only, =
and there is no new session information.</div></div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>I also wondered this. My first thought was that it&#39;s basicall=
y the same as the PING message, a nonce that is repeated immediately on rep=
ly. This makes it easier to multiplex operations over a single channel. I&#=
39;m not against this basic idea, and it is easy to ignore for clients that=
 don&#39;t want to use it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I think the state comes in here:</div><div><br></div><d=
iv><div style>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - inv sends back the=C2=A0requestid=C2=
=A0given=C2=A0in getblocks or a special value in case of a=C2=A0notificatio=
n.</div><div style>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - addr sends back the=C2=A0requesti=
d=C2=A0given=C2=A0in getaddr or a special value in case of a=C2=A0notificat=
ion.</div>
</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;*command1* sends back the requestid given i=
n *command2*&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>This requires keeping state on=
 the connection between command1 and command2. Arguably, this state already=
 exists in the current protocol, but I&#39;d rather see it reduced than ext=
ended.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also... Many of the described commands don&#39;t need t=
his as they already have a natural &quot;nonce&quot;. For example, the id o=
f the requested block header. If this is passed in the reply, and the calle=
r can correlate the request and reply without a special nonce administratio=
n.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Wladimir</div><div><br></div></div>

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