Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96BBA305 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:45:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B9F2A7 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicgi11 with SMTP id gi11so52854086wic.0 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:45:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+NKK+xHSGhu8t93lFtz276Y575jQjjq0W4a1PoSCa2g=; b=kTpX2rRMoaSqFaoTTs4AxeN0//dDwzZo37QYcOFwQvRlz172trTqj4sWg4u2ZIRVkG 088nIETjere1EIKDbEsmCd4QKAcw68wBkBTi1/ipB55EwhZBxp6yaSli5+wduCSFtsDo klhXUy/HCXz6DmjwtTAk5Ys23j6j8pviRVEZ4KJQGhSC1FA55mNN3MncaZUPjk9YjKlt Ey49uM5UUTt0NZlf9c8g0GmsnydO5AYhTcYAyQdaSb6fLCj3cwWJdmLcq+vnJgsLxRhx OWd1/8CClIuZtkTCiyQ+8Hz6hQ8Ix5Nwa3XCNd2sC++XCgjYxFipgztRVgyjAld90ZRy qJ/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkNGTuPrgpCzCeMa21scZsabsi0MycpDKpSsQxYs3lYqDWCkpfzvq54oDW9EkocpDAufAQP MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.58.7 with SMTP id m7mr20314789wjq.109.1435506324985; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.95.168 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:45:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <559012A9.3050606@sky-ip.org> References: <20150627074259.GA25420@amethyst.visucore.com> <20150627095501.C59B541A40@smtp.hushmail.com> <20150627100400.GC25420@amethyst.visucore.com> <20150627102912.06E2641A3E@smtp.hushmail.com> <20150627121016.2360041A3E@smtp.hushmail.com> <559012A9.3050606@sky-ip.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:45:24 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= To: s7r@sky-ip.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, URIBL_BLACK autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] The need for larger blocks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:45:28 -0000 On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 5:28 PM, s7r wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > +1 for this Jorge. > Agreed the majority should not be able to enforce rules over the > minority. But if the majority will just leave and create an altcoin or > whatever, this will leave the remaining minority with a less value (or > even 0 value) product or service. By enforcing some rules agreed by > the majority or supermajority, the minority will be dragged along and > even so with rules they haven't signed up for, they will still have a > product or service which is worth something. If the Schism fork goes wrong (ie 2 chains coexist in parallel for long) the result may as well be that NOBODY will be left any value. Both the majority and the minority can lose simultaneusly. See https://github.com/jtimon/bips/blob/bip-forks/bip-forks.org#schism1-hardforks That kind of hardfork is basically like forcing the users to go to war against each other. Really, I don't think civil war is an exaggerated analogy. > That is why we have to be very careful into deciding this. > > This debate is good, there are lots of valid points from smart people > and I am happy to see there is so much interest in this project, and > regardless if the blocksize hard cap will be changed or not I do hope, > if a hardfork will happen, it will also include a smart change that > will allow future changes (requiring hardforks) simpler, with less > headache and risks involved. That sounds great. Do you have any proposal in mind? I really want hardforks to be made, I just don't want to kill the system attempting it.