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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 00:16:11 -0700
From: Simon Liu <simon@bitcartel.com>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block
 size
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Increasing the block size shouldn't be a problem for Chinese miners.
Five of the largest - F2Pool, Antpool, BW, BTCChina, Huobi - have
already signed a draft agreement indicating they are fine with an
increase to 8 MB: http://www.8btc.com/blocksize-increase-2

With regards to China's international bandwidth, not only is intra-Asia
capacity improving all the time, a major consortium cable FASTER is
coming online Q2 2016.  Backed by Google, China Telecom and others, it
has a capacity of 60 Tbps, making it the highest-capacity data link ever
created across the Pacific.

Interactive map: http://www.submarinecablemap.com/

FASTER: https://plus.google.com/+UrsH%C3%B6lzle/posts/haJzDXnp9Z4

--Simon

On 08/02/2015 11:34 PM, Adam Back via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> If block-sizes are increased in a way detrimental to the Chinese miners,
> it is not the Chinese miners that lose, it is all of the non-Chinese
> miners - this is because the Chinese miners have the slight majority of
> the hashrate.  The relatively low external bandwidth connecting China to
> the net is actually the problem of the non-Chinese miners problem.  Non
> Chinese miners will experience higher orphan rate once Chinese miners
> cease to build on top of blocks that are too large to sync in a timely
> fashion into China.
> 
> Adam
> 
> On 2 August 2015 at 23:02, Jim Phillips via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> 
>     China is a communist country. It is no secret that all "capitalist"
>     enterprises are essentially State controlled, or at the very least
>     are subject to nationalization should the State deem it necessary.
>     Most ASIC chips are manufactured in China, so they are cheap and
>     accessible to Chinese miners. Electricity is subsidized and
>     essentially free. Cooling is not an issue since large parts of China
>     are mountainous and naturally cool. In short the Chinese miners have
>     HUGE advantages over all other mining operations. This is probably
>     why, between just the top 4 Chinese miners, the People's Republic of
>     China effectively controls 57% of all the Bitcoin being mined.
> 
>     The ONLY disadvantage the Chinese miners have in competing with the
>     rest of the world is bandwidth. China has poor connectivity with the
>     rest of the world, and Chinese miners have said that an increase in
>     the block size would be detrimental to them. I say, GOOD! Most of
>     the free world has enough bandwidth to be able to handle larger
>     blocks. We need to take advantage of that fact to get mining out of
>     the centralized control of the Chinese.
> 
>     If you're truly worried about larger blocks causing centralization,
>     think about how, by restricting blocksize, you're enabling the
>     Communist Chinese government to maintain centralized control over
>     57% of the Bitcoin hashing power.
> 
>     --
>     *James G. Phillips
>     IV* <https://plus.google.com/u/0/113107039501292625391/posts> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ergophobe>
>     /"Don't bunt. Aim out of the ball park. Aim for the company of
>     immortals." -- David Ogilvy
>     /
> 
>      /This message was created with 100% recycled electrons. Please
>     think twice before printing./
> 
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