Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1241905 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 10:08:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mx-out01.mykolab.com (mx.kolabnow.com [95.128.36.1]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE94D10A for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 10:08:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kolabnow.com X-Spam-Score: -2.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from mx03.mykolab.com (mx03.mykolab.com [10.20.7.101]) by mx-out01.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB0DB6140B; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:08:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Tom Zander To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Luke Dashjr Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 12:08:51 +0200 Message-ID: <2796215.bJP4rN4KYZ@strawberry> In-Reply-To: <201704041801.51655.luke@dashjr.org> References: <201704041801.51655.luke@dashjr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 13:17:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Generalized version bits voting (bip-genvbvoting) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 10:08:56 -0000 On Tuesday, 4 April 2017 20:01:51 CEST Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev wrote: > BIP 9 provides a mechanism for having > miners coordinate softforks because they can make the upgrade process > smoother this way. But the same is not true of hardforks: miners are > essentially irrelevant to them, and cannot make the process any smoother. Can you explain how miners are irrelevant if the upgrade is not a soft fork? -- Tom Zander Blog: https://zander.github.io Vlog: https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel