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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gappleto97[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (gappleto97[at]gmail.com) 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Z17ne-0004lN-CP Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Meta suggestions for this block size debate X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2015 06:41:47 -0000 --047d7b6d871881720f0517d3b38e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Nothing to apologize for. And yes, that's the correct one. On Jun 6, 2015 2:39 AM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com> wrote: > OK... sorry for my confusion. > > https://github.com/EthanHeilman/BlockSizeDebate > > it is. > > p. > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Please use the one it's originally forked from that Ethan made. I don't >> want to be the one who sorts through what's valid and what isn't, as I >> don't have as low-level an understanding as I'd like. I don't feel >> qualified. >> On Jun 6, 2015 2:34 AM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Gabe. >>> >>> https://github.com/gappleto97/BlockSizeDebate >>> >>> github's reachable via vpn. >>> >>> p. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah. We made a git repo instead, so we don't have to bother with the >>>> exclusive-by-default wiki policies. It's linked in this email chain. >>>> >>>> I'll be getting home tomorrow, so I should be able to start back up on >>>> this. A few days from now we should throw this on /r/Bitcoin so we can get >>>> some more public comment on it. They already gave me a few leads to chase. >>>> On Jun 5, 2015 11:34 PM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gabe, >>>>> >>>>> Did you ever get an answer to this? >>>>> >>>>> I"ll have some time tomorrow to be able to help with some work on this >>>>> and will need to do it myself anyways since I'm not sure I understand the >>>>> nuances, where bitcoin XT fits into the scheme of things (or not) etc. >>>>> >>>>> I would have thought that there would be a testnet4 by now using 8mb >>>>> blocks... but hey that's just me. >>>>> >>>>> p. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't have permission to create a page. If someone else does, I'll >>>>>> happily get a framework started. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Ethan Heilman <eth3rs@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I second this, I don't have time to read the large number of emails >>>>>>> generated every day from the block size debate. A summary of the various >>>>>>> positions and arguments would be extremely helpful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, can we try to get a wiki page for the debate? That way we >>>>>>>> could condense the information as much as possible. I'll be willing to >>>>>>>> assist if the page gets approval. >>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2015 6:41 PM, "Mats Henricson" <mats@henricson.se> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My fingers have been itching many times now, this debate >>>>>>>>> drives me nuts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just wish all posters could follow two simple principles: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Read up. Yes. All of what has been written. Yes, it will >>>>>>>>> take many hours. But if you're rehashing what other >>>>>>>>> smarter people have said over and over before, you're >>>>>>>>> wasting hundreds of peoples time. Please don't. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Be helpful. Suggest alternatives. Just cristizising is >>>>>>>>> just destructive. If you want no change, then say so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mats >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Bitcoin-development mailing list >>>>>>>>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Bitcoin-development mailing list >>>>>>>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Bitcoin-development mailing list >>>>>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > --047d7b6d871881720f0517d3b38e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p dir=3D"ltr">Nothing to apologize for. And yes, that's the correct on= e. </p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 6, 2015 2:39 AM, "Pindar Wong" = <<a href=3D"mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>> = wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l= tr"><div><div>OK... sorry for my confusion.<br><br></div><a href=3D"https:/= /github.com/EthanHeilman/BlockSizeDebate" target=3D"_blank">https://github.= com/EthanHeilman/BlockSizeDebate</a><br><br></div><div>it is.<br><br></div>= p.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O= n Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, gabe appleton <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= =3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gappleto97@gmail.com</a>= ></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0= 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Please = use the one it's originally forked from that Ethan made. I don't wa= nt to be the one who sorts through what's valid and what isn't, as = I don't have as low-level an understanding as I'd like. I don't= feel qualified. </p><div><div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 6, 2015 2:34 AM, "Pindar Wong" = <<a href=3D"mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pindar.wong@= gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail= _quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:= 1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks Gabe.<br><br><a href=3D"https://github.co= m/gappleto97/BlockSizeDebate" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/gappleto= 97/BlockSizeDebate</a><br><br></div><div>github's reachable via vpn.<br= ><br></div>p.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma= il_quote">On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, gabe appleton <span dir=3D"ltr">&= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gappleto97@gma= il.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"= margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"lt= r">Yeah. We made a git repo instead, so we don't have to bother with th= e exclusive-by-default wiki policies. It's linked in this email chain. = </p> <p dir=3D"ltr">I'll be getting home tomorrow, so I should be able to st= art back up on this. A few days from now we should throw this on /r/Bitcoin= so we can get some more public comment on it. They already gave me a few l= eads to chase.</p><div><div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 5, 2015 11:34 PM, "Pindar Wong"= <<a href=3D"mailto:pindar.wong@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">pindar.wong= @gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmai= l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left= :1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Gabe,<br><br></div>Did you ever get an ans= wer to this?<br><br>I"ll have some time tomorrow to be able to help wi= th some work on this and will need to do it myself anyways since I'm no= t sure I understand the nuances, where bitcoin XT fits into the scheme of t= hings (or not) etc.<br><br></div><div>I would have thought that there would= be a testnet4 by now using 8mb blocks... but hey that's just me. <br><= br></div><div>p.<br><br></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM, gabe appleton <s= pan dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan= k">gappleto97@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail= _quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:= 1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I don't have permission to create a page. If some= one else does, I'll happily get a framework started.</div><div><div><di= v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 = at 11:32 PM, Ethan Heilman <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:eth3rs@g= mail.com" target=3D"_blank">eth3rs@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><bloc= kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc= c solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I second this, I don't have = time to read the large number of emails generated every day from the block = size debate. A summary of the various positions and arguments would be extr= emely helpful.=C2=A0</div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM, gabe appleton <span dir= =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gapp= leto97@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"= style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p= dir=3D"ltr">Also, can we try to get a wiki page for the debate? That way w= e could condense the information as much as possible. I'll be willing t= o assist if the page gets approval. </p><div><div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 1, 2015 6:41 PM, "Mats Henricson&quo= t; <<a href=3D"mailto:mats@henricson.se" target=3D"_blank">mats@henricso= n.se</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot= e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">= Hi!<br> <br> My fingers have been itching many times now, this debate<br> drives me nuts.<br> <br> I just wish all posters could follow two simple principles:<br> <br> 1. Read up. Yes. All of what has been written. Yes, it will<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0take many hours. But if you're rehashing what other<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0smarter people have said over and over before, you're<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0wasting hundreds of peoples time. Please don't.<br> <br> 2. Be helpful. Suggest alternatives. Just cristizising is<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0just destructive. 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