Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WCvXe-00022c-IW for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:25:14 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from nl.grid.coop ([50.7.166.116]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1WCvXd-0006OP-I5 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:25:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by nl.grid.coop with local; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:25:06 -0600 id 000000000006A340.0000000052F91982.000071D0 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:25:06 -0600 From: Troy Benjegerdes To: Gregory Maxwell Message-ID: <20140210182506.GM3180@nl.grid.coop> References: <20140210144003.2BDCCDDAEFC@quidecco.de> <20140210163055.GJ3180@nl.grid.coop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Headers-End: 1WCvXd-0006OP-I5 Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] MtGox blames bitcoin X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:25:14 -0000 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:45:03AM -0800, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > > Name me one single person with commit access to the bitcoin github repository > > who is *independent* of any venture capital or other 'investment' connections. > > I am, unless you count the fact that I own some Bitcoin and some > mining hardware as "'investment' connections" (and that case your > comments are worthless). > > (By not naming anyone else I don't mean to imply there are no others, > but I don't want to speak for anyone else. Nor would I necessarily > expect the other part(ies|y) to step forward, since this mostly > appears to be an invitation to step up and be attacked.) Thank you. I also appreciate your commentary[1], and willingness to list your investment position. What I'm concerned about are people who have signed non-disclosure agreements or who's salary/equity/whatever depend on people who are experts at manipulating markets to take naive investors money. Independent is also a state of mind as much as it is about financial connections. What pisses me off here is that a huge amount of wealth just changed hands based on MtGox's press release, and it stinks of insider trading. I still maintain the best outcome would be for MtGox to AGPLv3 release their code, and then those of us that understand it would be able to have a public technical discussion about how to fix it, and MtGox would still maintain their intellectual property ownership position. This, however, cuts off a significant revenue stream for people who take money making market bets 5 minutes before the information goes public, so I expect the likelyhood of such an outbreak of sanity is quite low. [1] http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/10/mt-gox-blames-bitcoin-core-developer-greg-maxwell-responds/ DISCLAIMER: I have a significant emotional investment in copyleft/viral copyright development models, and I expect to take a lot of money charging people to write code I give away for free. I also occasionally make money from cryptocurrency mining, but only when I can sell it in functional and transparent markets.