Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z32GA-0004ZJ-Ex for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:11:06 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.148.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.148.100; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail148100.authsmtp.co.uk; Received: from outmail148100.authsmtp.co.uk ([62.13.148.100]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Z32G8-0001BV-8p for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:11:06 +0000 Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235]) by punt15.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5BDAusc023291; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:10:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from savin.petertodd.org (75-119-251-161.dsl.teksavvy.com [75.119.251.161]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t5BDAnkd053989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:10:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:10:48 -0400 From: Peter Todd To: Aaron Voisine Message-ID: <20150611131048.GA24053@savin.petertodd.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: 4914aa26-103b-11e5-b396-002590a15da7 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdwMUEkAaAgsB AmMbWlBeUV17XGI7 bA9PbARUfEhLXhtr VklWR1pVCwQmRRlz cm9ACU1ycgZPcHc+ ZEZmXXYVWE17cRcs QEhJFG0FN3phaTUa TRJbfgVJcANIexZF O1F6ACIKLwdSbGoL NQ4vNDcwO3BTJTpY RgYVKF8UXXNDJiQ7 XxcZFDF9VXY9eW0d IhFuBl8HF0EPP18j eV4sUlIRNR4JD2UA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1023:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 75.119.251.161/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1Z32G8-0001BV-8p Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: SPV Fee Discovery mechanism X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:11:06 -0000 --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 02:18:30PM -0700, Aaron Voisine wrote: > The other complication is that this will tend to be a lagging indicator > based on network congestion from the last time you connected. If we assume > that transactions are being dropped in an unpredictable way when blocks a= re > full, knowing the network congestion *right now* is critical, and even th= en > you just have to hope that someone who wants that space more than you do > doesn't show up after you disconnect. Hence the need for ways to increase fees on transactions after initial broadcast like replace-by-fee and child-pays-for-parent. Re: "dropped in an unpredictable way" - transactions would be dropped lowest fee/KB first, a completely predictable way. --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 0000000000000000124bae79afdcee9267b4e6f8137758b8b4135455cd8e3bfd --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGrBAEBCACVBQJVeYjTXhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAxMjRiYWU3OWFmZGNlZTkyNjdiNGU2ZjgxMzc3NThiOGI0 MTM1NDU1Y2Q4ZTNiZmQvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQJIFAPaXwkftQzggAiAeRliTQzvvKL8mALd7Z66K7 hjQJv2M56U2t575fV/uvx+dcBH51Vtg1SAL6/qecguWmexJnu6bOLC8VVGkyXcU5 DRIzLbe7XrhSCVXzInjDz1W3WrIPlTGlN5rJVt99GPe4Nw0Auxx/KdJrgHs41Fi2 lnw/D55P2xBav6++KxkT452zccD3tB7i23Apy2J+zsYtHgtojmZSAg6asuZHAaLK IZ5w104IXW51S7qpRQCEfqMfH01pPdmWiYGD0dbK5EQGo8NwCueGaYmBzjQuR2Si avgKbiMFiHEgagBm/v42BHzjifipjuAio3J4PcnR68Z1kaKGv8o3Th6xn1IQZQ== =Z5It -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm--