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[103.168.172.149]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch16-20020a056122319000b004d88e05895asi196232vkb.1.2024.04.14.08.51.37 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pete@petertodd.org designates 103.168.172.149 as permitted sender) client-ip=103.168.172.149; Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailfout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78F513800AF; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:51:36 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvledrudeiledgleeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvfevuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtudenucfhrhhomheprfgvthgv rhcuvfhougguuceophgvthgvsehpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtth gvrhhnpefhleekvefggeehuefhjedtfeehkeejueeikeeviedvleeutdetgeethefhuefg ueenucffohhmrghinhepghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmpdhpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhgne cuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepphgvthgv sehpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i525146e8:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 654505F81A; Sun, 14 Apr 2024 15:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 15:51:34 +0000 From: Peter Todd To: Bitcoin Error Log Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Draft BIP for User-Defined Transaction Flags Policy & Strategy Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+nWLEuNS/Dm2Vxv0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: pete@petertodd.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b="uc/z3xh5"; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pete@petertodd.org designates 103.168.172.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@petertodd.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --+nWLEuNS/Dm2Vxv0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 08:09:51AM -0700, Bitcoin Error Log wrote: > Adoption and Transition Strategy & Requirements >=20 > It is implicit, until now, that within this strategy is a requirement for= =20 > Core and other implementations to abandon strategies within Option 2, by= =20 > specifically removing and rejecting policy tools like mempoolfullrbf, or= =20 > other attempts to overrule, filter, or otherwise filter and hamper the=20 > propagation of valid, non-destructive transactions. For the record, I will continue to distribute both my Libre Relay=C2=B9 and= Full-RBF Peering=C2=B2 forks of Bitcoin Core, and they will continue to propagate fu= ll-rbf replacements. I'd estimate roughly 30 nodes in total on the P2P network are running one of those two forks. Bitcoin Knots also enables full-RBF by defa= ult, and has something like 150 nodes. 90%+ of hash rate is running full-RBF because it's common for blocks to ear= n thousands of dollars worth of fees from full-RBF replacements. The idea th= at miners would give that up, en-mass, just because you asked nicely for the s= ake of your broken, insecure, and unused ways of transacting bitcoin is laughab= le. Miners regularly modify the Bitcoin Core codebase for their own needs; commenting out the one line of code that prevents full-RBF replacements is trivial. You'd do well to stop wasting your time with this nonsense and work on Lightning or something. As for Bitcoin Core, enabling full-RBF by default i= s well overdue: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28132 1) https://github.com/petertodd/bitcoin/tree/libre-relay-v27.0rc1 2) https://github.com/petertodd/bitcoin/tree/full-rbf-v27.0rc1 --=20 https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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