Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35255C21 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:43:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 472A217A for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ts10so127514954obc.1 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:43:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netki-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=l5ztebUre+ovYSJObp/Nfjf29khEa0jLjbO4m+ornr8=; b=qLjgPe6LIC0EY0mzAJVBQ2l6KEV/oZHopEn5jDRsoQuKYJ6hX582kMXZ7teYd5QgK0 2zmg5sMPcUorx3e8esmw1Zcwt+Evm3doFkjJROF6iyUVJg2XNCKnn2SJXcFrvSFGPaeY h5MXCWwPZ+yLdE9pouv7xeTW5qP5kTG2Fi5XaG0UpbEbeLszUggKuSwdAPJa/gRB4sx6 gWraquO/QTM8BGyPfUEfVktHofsKpcKo18nBXjMcx+YW/hHySvpLyo7eCp/3r6mZeuM4 ABB2jNt+oHyc3xZDEyM7Ttv2bm61Qis+ifxxeQIfmxED/IQubjxrFENHagA4le1NxsAm bCug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=l5ztebUre+ovYSJObp/Nfjf29khEa0jLjbO4m+ornr8=; b=lNYNKyRpv70YziQaEkA+2ThrPq0w2dyHDRPKRxEt4IuGMgPXk29GADNT8oCydIOaxM 79+pcD9MpDI+tGr1f2wXcLUC2AgJayw+9FVTgd5VBg/H95Q28Ak1hwGCbX2noBkQzsuq kmEQkdiVbmwXRcrvaB0VmB+wwAeVJDOo+z/CoGd8mfw1iJyoDGt58hQVaRLxPQg6xOyS LA5B27Kaxz9TzjtAI1DRQvxca1wPMzGRs/VG0NP3rU/125C58s3QJV+WTl60cNBj3XCl 5VBw+vfyNigsK2bzH9yMD3I70hhvMrtm0LRwbBJUBMxL0g3hKXwNO299yMNN95vp2NKN gZkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLSQx+9NXn2a65fdxZnYTs55xfsDahwd2kK2tMsOsX1/GKXHhOcMsMIf781N8upvrHeVc6lTWrxN33ptmWO MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.70.1 with SMTP id i1mr7546687oeu.13.1457736228512; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.231.144 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:43:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:43:48 -0800 Message-ID: From: Justin Newton To: Andreas Schildbach Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=001a113347701451e1052dcdaa71 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 04:54:26 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP75 - Out of Band Address Exchange X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:43:50 -0000 --001a113347701451e1052dcdaa71 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113347701451dc052dcdaa70 --001a113347701451dc052dcdaa70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we would be open to either leaving them in, or doing a separate BIP. What do others think? I=E2=80=99d prefer to keep them together if th= e changes are non-controversial just to cut down on #of BIP=E2=80=99s, but th= ats not a strong preference. On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Andreas Schildbach via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > I think it's a bad idea to pollute the original idea of this BIP with > other extensions. Other extensions should go to separate BIPs, > especially since methods to clarify the fee have nothing to do with > secure and authenticated bi-directional BIP70 communication. > > > On 03/10/2016 10:43 PM, James MacWhyte via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Our BIP (officially proposed on March 1) has tentatively been assigned > > number 75. Also, the title has been changed to "Out of Band Address > > Exchange using Payment Protocol Encryption" to be more accurate. > > > > We thought it would be good to take this opportunity to add some > > optional fields to the BIP70 paymentDetails message. The new fields are= : > > subtractable fee (give permission to the sender to use some of the > > requested amount towards the transaction fee), fee per kb (the minimum > > fee required to be accepted as zeroconf), and replace by fee (whether o= r > > not a transaction with the RBF flag will be accepted with zeroconf). I > > know it doesn't make much sense for merchants to accept RBF with > > zeroconf, so that last one might be used more to explicitly refuse RBF > > transactions (and allow the automation of choosing a setting based on > > who you are transacting with). > > > > I see BIP75 as a general modernization of BIP70, so I think it should b= e > > fine to include these extensions in the new BIP, even though these > > fields are not specific to the features we are proposing. Please take a > > look at the relevant section and let me know if anyone has any concerns= : > > > https://github.com/techguy613/bips/blob/master/bip-0075.mediawiki#Extendi= ng_BIP70_PaymentDetails > > > > The BIP70 extensions page in our fork has also been updated. > > > > Thanks! > > > > James > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bitcoin-dev mailing list > > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --=20 Justin W. Newton Founder/CEO Netki, Inc. justin@netki.com +1.818.261.4248 --001a113347701451dc052dcdaa70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think we would be open to either leaving them in, or doi= ng a separate BIP.=C2=A0 What do others think?=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d prefer to = keep them together if the changes are non-controversial just to cut down on= #of BIP=E2=80=99s, but thats not a strong preference.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 3:54 AM,= Andreas Schildbach via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists= .linuxfoundation.org> wrote:


On 03/10/2016 10:43 PM, James MacWhyte via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Our BIP (officially proposed on March 1) has tentatively been assigned=
> number 75. Also, the title has been changed to "Out of Band Addre= ss
> Exchange using Payment Protocol Encryption" to be more accurate.<= br> >
> We thought it would be good to take this opportunity to add some
> optional fields to the BIP70 paymentDetails message. The new fields ar= e:
> subtractable fee (give permission to the sender to use some of the
> requested amount towards the transaction fee), fee per kb (the minimum=
> fee required to be accepted as zeroconf), and replace by fee (whether = or
> not a transaction with the RBF flag will be accepted with zeroconf). I=
> know it doesn't make much sense for merchants to accept RBF with > zeroconf, so that last one might be used more to explicitly refuse RBF=
> transactions (and allow the automation of choosing a setting based on<= br> > who you are transacting with).
>
> I see BIP75 as a general modernization of BIP70, so I think it should = be
> fine to include these extensions in the new BIP, even though these
> fields are not specific to the features we are proposing. Please take = a
> look at the relevant section and let me know if anyone has any concern= s:
> https://github.com/techguy613/bips/blob/master/bip-0075.mediawiki#Extendin= g_BIP70_PaymentDetails
>
> The BIP70 extensions page in our fork has also been updated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> James
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> bitcoin-dev@l= ists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org= /mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>


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