Return-Path: <alp.bitcoin@gmail.com> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 581F18DC for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 20:53:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-pg0-f48.google.com (mail-pg0-f48.google.com [74.125.83.48]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF536CD for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 20:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id n5so75909111pgh.0 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:53:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8Z+Gy+gJXwZ3rSV0eg8E0sr9rt4YJ9KiNnctHwBUiaE=; b=EGaeGdvO1gBcJpQe4W/5k8GFcpmZontG6e1QE/PPMWHFO5k458eEQ9WFHxQtcfMzKU v5eIPpSESPizPj2fs77MTPlK10UVhWfj8KNmtC1IczJxJpmLtwo6vdzB3+826HErDGGZ ZZ2MY+j+/O/+jm3nZYYXUIiFtTjw9ilbcCGqxkjkt3bTtyVGvpfdCxOVrP6jfxfHlTsZ 2FF+tZtCyaNACRVoSGFL5t++9/Fl8TpyAnYcZw7EEIj4RbUErmh3GMmo5qSPLqGWpxIM ol9K0kJFfWsU2q+xqNnxD04J136Va/bstGJvMFl+hK5t3e5gl8BNW+93iRwtecxCWaku lO0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8Z+Gy+gJXwZ3rSV0eg8E0sr9rt4YJ9KiNnctHwBUiaE=; b=tbxzCi9/aqmqsa617ppTmOr9bhMR+vy9DUnWegwp8WVg5ZVduu4wqvbOPNqnJ8aJBY Gn7CRxew6o9gtU4VV9N0ZBHVeYLALcUTf+s0ihG9T9GlZrzaCW36M9YLIkRgmcJhz24n gmqfpCYWSYRkjBg/pvNsDjbkjDmslOK7jeaAiw3TsqpaUvcg8c11KwEjo8j23q76Rb2m r7fw+7ubLXqKWC8dQ8HPZdMXpOoAXK2JwfRR60bdUv6QQp1auhrlnx7UL9bVOljOVSjq orP9lSKYOjqSlYyImaMyQSwVITkIfAAk6EtAkLwT9SfOd0a8CZ3gcxnTU8Ve8O2lNq+M CNPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1tEYM9Zy6x9L01kkZ6mpaYcXM95oi2oWMWYGW+WgIwkk8icT4fOVm1bkQYknQl54POrP62beVG1Jp5jg== X-Received: by 10.98.157.148 with SMTP id a20mr34263837pfk.144.1490734411483; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:53:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.128.19 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:53:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <10740865.BWG7G26IGS@cherry> References: <CAAeo5+jSfp5XWj=EYJ_i-XS+=RjxfY-co7+b7iu3Gd=WWHbHzQ@mail.gmail.com> <10740865.BWG7G26IGS@cherry> From: Alphonse Pace <alp.bitcoin@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 15:53:30 -0500 Message-ID: <CAMBsKS_Fp79jn_zSyzrcJU01Ri1hUtoVPoDf64mB-uDOEYEQbA@mail.gmail.com> To: Tom Zander <tomz@freedommail.ch>, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1165060d0dbf054bd0a708 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 20:53:32 -0000 --94eb2c1165060d0dbf054bd0a708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 His demand (not suggestion) allows it without any safeguards. >This patch must be in the immediate next release of Bitcoin Core. That is not a suggestion. Wang - still waiting on the details of this meeting. In the spirit of openness, I think you ought to share with the community what kind of secret meetings are happening. On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > On Tuesday, 28 March 2017 21:56:49 CEST Paul Iverson via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > It is clear that, spam aside, blocks are getting full and we need > increase > > them soon. What I don't like about your proposal is it forces all node > > operators to implicitly accept larger blocks in 2020, even maybe against > > their will. 32 MB blocks might result in a loss of decentralization, and > > it might be too difficult to coordinate for small blocks before it's too > > late. > > The suggestion was not to produce 32MB blocks, so your fear here is > unfounded. > > -- > Tom Zander > Blog: https://zander.github.io > Vlog: https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --94eb2c1165060d0dbf054bd0a708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">His demand (not suggestion) allows it without any safeguar= ds.<div><br></div><div>><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">This patch must= be=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">in the immediate next rele= ase of Bitcoin Core.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br>= </span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">That is not a suggestion= .</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br>Wang - still waitin= g on the details of this meeting.=C2=A0 In the spirit of openness, I think = you ought to share with the community what kind of secret meetings are happ= ening.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><= /div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar = 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitco= in-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd= ing-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Tuesday, 28 March 2017 21:56:49 CEST Paul= Iverson via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br> > It is clear that, spam aside, blocks are getting full and we need incr= ease<br> > them soon. What I don't like about your proposal is it forces all = node<br> > operators to implicitly accept larger blocks in 2020, even maybe again= st<br> > their will. 32 MB blocks might result in a loss of decentralization, a= nd<br> > it might be too difficult to coordinate for small blocks before it'= ;s too<br> > late.<br> <br> </span>The suggestion was not to produce 32MB blocks, so your fear here is<= br> unfounded.<br> <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br> --<br> Tom Zander<br> Blog: <a href=3D"https://zander.github.io" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bl= ank">https://zander.github.io</a><br> Vlog: <a href=3D"https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel" rel=3D"noref= errer" target=3D"_blank">https://vimeo.com/channels/<wbr>tomscryptochannel<= /a><br> </font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">_____________________= _________<wbr>_________________<br> bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.= <wbr>linuxfoundation.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.<wbr>org= /mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-<wbr>dev</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> --94eb2c1165060d0dbf054bd0a708--