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From: Andreas Schildbach <andreas@schildbach.de>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 17:49:20 +0100
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Removal of reject network messages from Bitcoin
	Core (BIP61)
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Reject messages cannot be replaced for debugging user problems. At least
unless you plan to make RPC or bitcoind logfiles available via the P2P
protocol (both probably not a good idea).

The typical case is, I get mailed a wallet logfile with reject messages
and that's all I have. I cannot access the bitcoind logfile(s) of the
node(s) that generated the reject message in the first place. Nor can I
access their RPC interface.

I strongly suggest re-enabling reject messages by default before 0.18.


On 06/03/2019 01.53, Marco Falke via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Bitcoin Core may send "reject" messages as response to "tx", "block" or
> "version" messages from a network peer when the message could not be accepted.
> 
> This feature is toggled by the `-enablebip61` command line option and has been
> disabled by default since Bitcoin Core version 0.18.0 (not yet released as of
> time of writing). Nodes on the network can not generally be trusted to send
> valid ("reject") messages, so this should only ever be used when connected to a
> trusted node. At this time, I am not aware of any software that requires this
> feature, and I would like to remove if from Bitcoin Core to make the codebase
> slimmer, easier to understand and maintain. Let us know if your application
> relies on this feature and you can not use any of the recommended alternatives:
> 
> * Testing or debugging of implementations of the Bitcoin P2P network protocol
>   should be done by inspecting the log messages that are produced by a recent
>   version of Bitcoin Core. Bitcoin Core logs debug messages
>   (`-debug=<category>`) to a stream (`-printtoconsole`) or to a file
>   (`-debuglogfile=<debug.log>`).
> 
> * Testing the validity of a block can be achieved by specific RPCs:
>   - `submitblock`
>   - `getblocktemplate` with `'mode'` set to `'proposal'` for blocks with
>     potentially invalid POW
> 
> * Testing the validity of a transaction can be achieved by specific RPCs:
>   - `sendrawtransaction`
>   - `testmempoolaccept`
> 
> * Wallets should not use the absence of "reject" messages to indicate a
>   transaction has propagated the network, nor should wallets use "reject"
>   messages to set transaction fees. Wallets should rather use fee estimation
>   to determine transaction fees and set replace-by-fee if desired. Thus, they
>   could wait until the transaction has confirmed (taking into account the fee
>   target they set (compare the RPC `estimatesmartfee`)) or listen for the
>   transaction announcement by other network peers to check for propagation.
> 
> I propose to remove "reject" messages from Bitcoin Core 0.19.0 unless there are
> valid concerns about its removal.
> 
> Marco
>