From: Luke Dashjr <luke@dashjr.org>
To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Andreas Schildbach <andreas@schildbach.de>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:26:56 +0000
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core to disable Bloom-based Filtering by
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On Sunday 21 July 2019 22:56:33 Andreas Schildbach via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> An estimated 10+ million wallets depend on that NODE_BLOOM to be
> updated.

Where do you see this number? I think it would be useful to chart.

> So far, I haven't heard of an alternative, except reading all 
> transactions and full blocks.

Electrum has a JSON-based protocol that can provide information much more 
efficiently.

Currently, this does require nodes that run additional software and/or 
indexes, but there are plenty of them available, and there are steps that can 
be taken to improve that situation.

> > It is not anticipated that
> > this will result in a significant lack of availability of
> > NODE_BLOOM-enabled nodes in the coming years
>
> Why don't you anticipate that? People almost never change defaults,
> especially if it's not for their own immediate benefit. At the same
> time, release notes in general recommend updating to the latest version.
> I *do* anticipate this will reduce the number of nodes usable by a large
> enough amount so that the feature will become unstable.

Many users run older versions, and do not update immediately. Today, only 42% 
of listening nodes are using 0.18.

(If it helps ease the concern, we can keep bloom enabled by default in Knots 
longer.)

> I strongly recommend postponing this change until an alternative exists
> and then give developers enough time to implement, test and roll out.

There will be time to do so, since the functionality won't disappear 
overnight.

Luke