Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z2Vz6-0000Ne-Gm for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 02:43:20 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of ozlabs.org designates 103.22.144.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=103.22.144.67; envelope-from=rusty@ozlabs.org; helo=ozlabs.org; Received: from ozlabs.org ([103.22.144.67]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z2Vz5-0006Hw-3v for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 02:43:20 +0000 Received: by ozlabs.org (Postfix, from userid 1011) id A305714076C; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:43:10 +1000 (AEST) From: Rusty Russell To: Tier Nolan In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Notmuch/0.17 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:10:38 +0930 Message-ID: <87ioawp9p5.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.8 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address X-Headers-End: 1Z2Vz5-0006Hw-3v Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Consensus-enforced transaction replacement via sequence numbers X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 02:43:20 -0000 Tier Nolan writes: > What are the use cases for relative lock time verify? I have 1 and I think > that is the kind of thing it is useful for. > > I think that most cases are just to guarantee that the other party has a > chance to react. This means that 8191 blocks should be more than enough > (and most would set it lower). > > For long term, the absolute version is just as good. That depends on use > cases. "You can't take step 4 until 3 months after step 3 has completed" > doesn't seem useful. Lightning channels want them exactly like this to revoke old transactions, which could be ancient on long-lived channels. Cheers, Rusty.