Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YLuhk-00042m-Tv for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:25:20 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from wp059.webpack.hosteurope.de ([80.237.132.66]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1YLuhi-0004zN-Ru for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:25:20 +0000 Received: from [37.143.74.116] (helo=[192.168.0.100]); authenticated by wp059.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1YLuhc-0000Sg-Nn; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:25:12 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1F6209CE-A0EA-483F-B9B8-6C6156A7721C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Tamas Blummer In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:25:09 +0100 Message-Id: References: <20150212064719.GA6563@savin.petertodd.org> <7C80D196-AB91-44EA-B2D7-343D7214BAA8@bitsofproof.com> To: Mike Hearn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; tamas@bitsofproof.com; 1423751118; 6a097ffb; X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.237.132.66 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1YLuhi-0004zN-Ru Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:25:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1F6209CE-A0EA-483F-B9B8-6C6156A7721C Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_805B751B-81B3-48A2-9047-2F94D901EA8B" --Apple-Mail=_805B751B-81B3-48A2-9047-2F94D901EA8B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Feb 12, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > You can not consider the outcome resulting by replace-by-fee = fraudulent, as it could be the world as observed by some. >=20 > Fraudulent in what sense? Assume a wallet that sends double spend of the coin spent for services = with higher fees to some of its nodes simultaneously. Merchants will catch and reject most of the attempts, but that will not = stop the scheme in a setup where customer are anonymous and distant. Miner will see a mixed picture and will struggle to act =93honestly=94 = on a statistical measure. Tamas Blummer --Apple-Mail=_805B751B-81B3-48A2-9047-2F94D901EA8B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

On Feb 12, 2015, at 3:16 PM, = Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> = wrote:

You can not consider the outcome resulting by = replace-by-fee fraudulent, as it could be the world as observed by = some.

Fraudulent in what = sense?

Assume a wallet that sends = double spend of the coin spent for services with higher fees to some of = its nodes simultaneously.

Merchants will catch and reject most = of the attempts, but that will not stop the scheme in a setup where = customer are anonymous and distant.

Miner will = see a mixed picture and will struggle to act =93honestly=94 on a = statistical measure.

Tamas = Blummer

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