Return-Path: <jtimon@jtimon.cc> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4771ABAC for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:13:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com (mail-wg0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D555141 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgjx7 with SMTP id x7so12417724wgj.2 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 04:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=GcHIAIowd4BrFpdOIDiTGhsQHi+T06YlWvN9HUAjZm8=; b=NlTwejZFN5OXzs6VPLczV8smYBKQX+I7njg5iFznjInDvWNbhGpGmjeAazzNSILuqR SR3Leef50zIBhv3a+AmQvoAZf9Dtwr9Rq83xQ8987KRLmItz/YiNM6++auiOSfSJAk2i RRxhVf32gTlmUgFZVH9O/wec9U73eDBd3wyvDjjHVEyKgHRfisshy/sWwm1d6mHp8Y8c csuegsImyBl/iqNP77u/4zu/TJrxX7LTLd2ZBB3Uc5WLretZUVlnA3AesxbwQdtOV8vj 3TcZHS17qCy6Jq+rl2mSSDQjNZ4fMXVyhrSVEBN/hapidG4rc2JFHlx3z61MrnrgY3af MG4w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm92vTfT4hM714QXbV77/CYyJnPG3ZOm9ivHjBih1jDddNDcnRgjzKpt1x8cMMjgTWFzw5n MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.120.198 with SMTP id le6mr2039581wjb.133.1435317197542; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 04:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.95.168 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 04:13:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <558B7352.90708@bitcoins.info> References: <COL402-EAS127289185B11D0D58E1F5E6CDAE0@phx.gbl> <558B7352.90708@bitcoins.info> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 13:13:17 +0200 Message-ID: <CABm2gDrCxLyxC=BkgiQOjRczy26kQOZb2+p9xDXOh4HuDG8nRw@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= <jtimon@jtimon.cc> To: Milly Bitcoin <milly@bitcoins.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Process and Votes X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:13:20 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Milly Bitcoin <milly@bitcoins.info> wrote: > "Cultish" means making claims without any supporting facts. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Milly Bitcoin <milly@bitcoins.info> wrote: > As for developers, the consensus on code changes are almost never 100% and > someone has to make the decision about what is an a acceptable consensus. This statement seems "cultish" by your own definition. I'm going to make the opposite statement: the consensus on code changes is almost always 100%. Mark has already given a couple examples of changes to consensus rules (the most risky type of change), here's a few thousand other examples of changes to the bitcoin core's code that had no opposition: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master Can you please point us to a few examples were changes were made with opposition to them? In those cases (which you assure is what happens almost always), would you say that the result of letting a decider decide instead of fixing or addressing all the concerns (either by changing the proposed code or explaining it) better in restrospective?