Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z2ksK-00084i-7D for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:37:20 +0000 Received: from outbound.mailhostbox.com ([162.222.225.27]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1Z2krn-0008Cm-PT for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:37:20 +0000 Received: from [0.0.0.0] (chomsky.torservers.net [77.247.181.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: s7r@sky-ip.org) by outbound.mailhostbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3021360DC2; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:36:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <557883A7.7030906@sky-ip.org> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 21:36:23 +0300 From: s7r User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Schroder , "Wladimir J. van der Laan" , xor References: <1943127.DBnVxmfOIh@1337h4x0r> <20150610093556.GA11409@amethyst.visucore.com> <557869F9.8030109@AndySchroder.com> In-Reply-To: <557869F9.8030109@AndySchroder.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Rpo4V3SK c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=8Ww6+Lg8qb0XbX4HKykbog==:117 a=8Ww6+Lg8qb0XbX4HKykbog==:17 a=ZDnEzkWgAAAA:8 a=-NIMs_s3AAAA:8 a=QrohdLjRRo4A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=bvjBBkZ6AAAA:8 a=AeJBNHyeAAAA:8 a=FP58Ms26AAAA:8 a=HSfnefGPkwMvahqzMw0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.557883B0.014F, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CTCH-SenderID: s7r@sky-ip.org X-CTCH-SenderID-TotalMessages: 1 X-CTCH-SenderID-TotalSpam: 0 X-CTCH-SenderID-TotalSuspected: 0 X-CTCH-SenderID-TotalBulk: 0 X-CTCH-SenderID-TotalConfirmed: 0 X-CTCH-SenderID-TotalRecipients: 0 X-CTCH-SenderID-TotalVirus: 0 X-CTCH-SenderID-BlueWhiteFlag: 0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 172.18.214.93 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [162.222.225.27 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.7 SPF_NEUTRAL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (neutral) 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Headers-End: 1Z2krn-0008Cm-PT Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough to host this list? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: s7r@sky-ip.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:37:20 -0000 The mail list is public, so it's not like the data on it is somehow sensitive. Sourcefoge is fine, it has a nice web UI where you can browse the message and sort/order them as you want, etc. Why would you want to move to a paid solution? And why would you want users to have to pay per message? This is the worst idea ever from my point of view. We want to encourage people to join the community, run full nodes, ask questions, come with solutions, ideas for improvements and so on. Everyone should read and write and contribute as much as possible with ideas in debates. You never know who can have bright ideas in some contexts. Bottom line is so far sourceforge handles the mail lists just fine. I don't see a single advantage another mail list provider / system could offer, except some headache and extra work for migration. The software distribution via sourcefoge was cancelled for obvious reasons which I fully understand and agree to, but it has nothing to do with the mail lists. We have way more important things to brainstorm about. On 6/10/2015 7:46 PM, Andy Schroder wrote: > Regarding changing the e-mail list provider. Is anyone interested in=20 > sponsoring it? There are non-free options, but it may be difficult to=20 > always ensure the fee is being paid to the provider. I think finding an= =20 > agreeable free solution may have been the issue before? I've also=20 > thought of trying to make a pay per message or byte solution (and this=20 > cost could be dynamic based upon the number of current mailing list=20 > subscribers). This could solve the who pays problem (the sender pays),=20 > as well as motivate people to be more concise and clear with their=20 > messages, and at the same time limit spam. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Any thoughts? >=20 > Andy Schroder >=20 > On 06/10/2015 05:35 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:25:12AM +0200, xor wrote: >>> http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-softwa= re-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/ >> All our downloads (even old ones) have recently been deleted from sour= ceforge, for this reason. They haven't been mentioned in Bitcon Core rele= ase announcements for a long time. >> >> No opinion on the mailing list. Though I think it's less urgent. The i= ssue of moving the mailinglist has come up before a few times and people = can't agree where to move to. >> >> Wladimir >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- >=20 >=20 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >=20