Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VQ0vV-0000h0-NJ for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:15:41 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of astutium.com designates 80.76.216.60 as permitted sender) client-ip=80.76.216.60; envelope-from=rob.golding@astutium.com; helo=cpanel4.hosting.astutium.com; Received: from cpanel4.hosting.astutium.com ([80.76.216.60]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1VQ0vU-0002gN-IS for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:15:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54198 helo=astutium.com) by cpanel4.hosting.astutium.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VQ0vO-0008Oo-1J for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:15:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:15:34 +0100 From: rob.golding@astutium.com To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c70dbfc173749cf4198c591f19a7d33@astutium.com> X-Sender: rob.golding@astutium.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cpanel4.hosting.astutium.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.sourceforge.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - astutium.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cpanel4.hosting.astutium.com: authenticated_id: rob.golding@astutium.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -2.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 LOTS_OF_MONEY Huge... sums of money X-Headers-End: 1VQ0vU-0002gN-IS Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] =?utf-8?q?smart_contracts_--_possible_use_c?= =?utf-8?q?ase=3F_yes_or_no=3F?= X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:15:41 -0000 > But the regulatory environment in many geographical regions in > uncertain.   Do we need to pay capital gains?   Do we need to pay a > sales taxs etc. etc. In most regions it's not only 'simple' but trivial - BTC is just 'another currency' and accounted for exactly the same way - it doens't matter if you sell your hose for GBP, USD, EUR, BTC or sacks of Pig Dung, you still have a GBP tax issue ... > So my idea is to voluntarily pre empt legislation by giving donations > to govt (aka taxation) for bitcoin service providers.  You want to volunteer to pay tax ? I'd suggest stronger medication ... > However, there is something of a problem with voluntary donations.  > Most people are not satisfied with the way they are spent. 80% of 'donations' end up spent on 'adminsitration' and not what they were donated for, this is a 'greed' issue not a 'currency' issue. > In the UK > a recent survey said that only 18% of people thought that tax money > was wisely spent. Tax isn't voluntary or a donation. The 18% who think UK tax is well spent are the 18% of the population who get the tax money, not the 82% that pay it ;) > Can we fix it? First we kill all the politicians ... > So let's say I run a business and I make 1 million euros.  I wish to > donate 10% of my profits to society.  But let's say I dont want that > money to go to wars of aggression, but rather, to the fire > de[department.  So give it to the FD - what you do with your post-tax profits are up to you ;) > At this point everyone wins.  The business person is happy to make a > contribution.  The govt. is happy that it gets more revenue.  The > fire dept. is happy that it has revenue to do its work.  And > everything has gone to the right place in a kind of democratic way. Where does gov't come into this ? I think you're confusing 'tax' which you have zero control over and 'donations' which you already have 100% control over. Rob