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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:25:18 -0400
From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: soft-fork to make
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On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 02:49:54PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Roy Badami <roy@gnomon.org.uk> wrote:
> >> Sure they are paying themselves, but given bitcoin network
> >> difficulty is uso high, simply obtaining payments-go-myself-as-miner
> >> transactions is itself difficult.
> >
> > Not for pool operators it isn't.  Nor for people buying hashing power
> > from a GPUMAX-type service, if such services still exist (or should
> > they exist again in future).
>=20
> Re-read what I wrote.  That's perfectly OK.  It is analogous to a pool
> operator receiving merged mined coins, each time they mine a bitcoin
> block.
>=20
> If you achieve the very high difficulty needed to create a valid
> bitcoin block, you have achieved a very high bar.

"High" is relative.

I could make a 100BTC apparently sacrifice via fees by just waiting a
month or two for my mining hardware to find a block that had a
pre-prepared fake sacrifice. It'd cost me roughly 1BTC when you take
orphans into account. Similarly I could hack into a pool and have them
do it on my behalf, or a pool could just offer the service for a fee.

I already worry enough that announce-commit sacrifices to mining fees
aren't secure enough given the potential of a few large pools teaming
up to create them cheaply, let alone what you're talking about...


Hey Luke: so what's the going rate to get Eligius to mine a fake mining
fee sacrifice? Can I get a discount on repeat orders? :)

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