Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [140.211.166.133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98885C0001 for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 19:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6E34015E for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 19:17:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=web.de Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OQsiG0QHHTJp for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 19:17:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.14]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4255F40015 for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 19:17:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1621279053; bh=FmemMOLdwYm8nKKDyCYVi29DxZYZbQ87XlSRxNsziy8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=VuoScUbWP61cO4/ygIqCm5ERj9PbdYLaHwK4GZObNA9OvQcczQNci75eEpvyEmM5d KQqChGuxU9u1jrn0FFG54amr5sUMyNDhFwrNzGduExYo/LIZVq0+cyBZrBnTKnuS7j 9AvBFTxieA2N4XXpja50b5oIjtYvKTbfFScAHZOg= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from [192.168.43.108] ([2.247.245.186]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MI5yY-1llUA63UFC-003vUp for ; Mon, 17 May 2021 21:17:32 +0200 To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org References: <202105170258.13233.luke@dashjr.org> From: Michael Fuhrmann Message-ID: <1e048030-36c6-0ae8-7209-516bd797d29c@web.de> Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 21:17:32 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <202105170258.13233.luke@dashjr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JEctWdkj0FPx5DVRt9mlHGhUrMvIkJ4x+HWgZRIzZifvc6HNkYI T5iVd7yQ/hwWTJvNsqhDgzwovEDFtljd735nWClBC48prGXTY8ey6pa7AQp/SFNwfzgeRgo GwUZdrXVVURo5zzwBZxqSno3KhW5Af+7ar2O1oaa6oxVetGOzZqPzMuNt1CTfFt2+MVGhdI yIcfGdAIwvyDcH2Y1bTQw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:U3xNcf4OuB8=:b7qgrKjhVwBrA0pN4Px7sH rZItZEzWB3kiK98FAhA8svwItYtWAgJBiDyYX9SpizhT+cus+0jEjGRe9UZGnrdlwldfvjp5V JfqxBXh6hHjqDcwkANlE8r7Y7y8SJHKTMxITGKdDPdXisud+cNjgtTrINMR5MSYyycWc6flPJ 17lPQch+NvOERrVgoMmjxr1URvjoMgxsIjirvcttegPCSR5q2ouVDUbDpY9e72q0lhEnMj9jE jynp/oUsDPxIjGPGj8LxH/nChvKJEIcPfmg9xf0C2NFn5lF0GuyUoahoAlHZjojvMg0lB2X5S QBtQ8f+J48HMwdrOAZ7zLjNnNAaEY+R3/+x8r69QySnu6afZebVKXQoqof/PcmvjvWTVyeV1Y wCO7Sb0ftlrBRPgzBAAVMoq1G5R5Sl+k4EGKcJY2X7MCiAazC2Sv4ciV+nI6d7lxNMFJGXWws Lz60Y/5tl49RB8uYzkqRwHi7lzT+YYsd4uRPQLOcrpC5redJlp398VS/ZiVvyCwnW6Ix5TVuA 029LU9IG5MA7SNlaNUkDlj3uY54aCqkjeDgKOxnVNUI0Nl3hlIrpI2MlYtdTRH+mb81PCv9hI shDSA515XNSs56yZmIF6JN2lBCHId9ICVE4HlcLXY88M7wh9g8GMon8D+TsX8VoKlMU9c0lbr SFNvLG37BwIM6M5bKmoPdWxbRlzYOWxix9kide1wFutxmpIFqv7zK76o7lJgCxkajzjARYv88 qfWl28lh/QsiAgNrH6rWLeu416k9ttJ4TP5cj/0DSusvZV0DqS5ltYoIP0GMZ5RQoejyMnHNZ oY3xKYW0S+t7DXk7/6HRfxtaKHSGwmp+l1UkqWGpBevigiBLEGOC/MYWPWK65KqKeCq2E1Vc1 nRvB9IaAfc0BeCpwWcuBi1lirGjQKS68yqeXWxKY7l8DwU9JIpDSbk2zFR0qeywndx2cZ/BfG h8gd3qSjkdNqghbKoNiJeUVmeT/VDjYauJ9xU63Mm/xBMv5PJGTFnBc6SVoh9kK97UB+UC9YJ HsCrtX5aoLJU0sy+4ue8KlrI2on6M+NxrZv194CMyYXIyeb8iyJl4cX23BIPrj9cSWwZd35L0 QSVhSXz39uFginZtuavSfD7/HGetzgeDiffQ2YNGqBZCKWQ1WnC80KmmnKDiatnptOcfEn1YY Dp2PXGAjVfaSOMoq1lno5EOdtsd0uzCB4NcO43b64gDaTpVK+iB0DYk3R+vDbHL3ubm8o= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 May 2021 19:28:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 19:17:36 -0000 Am 17.05.2021 um 04:58 schrieb Luke Dashjr: > It increases security, and is unavoidable anyway. > > You can't. There must be a way. dRNG + universal clock + cryptographical magic?! I'll think about more. Because if there is a safe way of knowing when a block was mined then this can work and no security is lost. The run f=C3= =BCr the next coinbase starts now at 0 seconds and should end after 600 seconds. There is no real change if you start (proofable) 540 seconds later und must finish in 60 seconds. I see this 10 times harder than 10 times softer. It is just a blocktime of 60 seconds with 9 minutes of idle time. But for this time thank you for all your great answers :D :) ps: it wasnt a pointing fingers musk move. it was the opposite. more like "we try hard to be more efficient than everything else before even if we still are".