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However, scrutiny does not imply dragnet = surveillance. Bitcoin returns us, or at least aspires to return, to the days of a gold = standard.[0] You will be familiar with this, from your time in Her = Majesty=E2=80=99s empire. In these days, scrutiny implied detectives asking questions. Perhaps = they would ask questions of multiple parties and see if certain numbers = matched. There was no dragnet surveillance, and this as god intended. We return to these days soon. I agree with your point about consensus as well. You are free to run a = node supporting a dragnet surveillance fork, and sell your coins that = support gold-like privacy to accumulate more dragnet surveillance coins. = I wish you success with that.=20 [0]: https://taaalk.co/t/bitcoin-maxima-other-crypto-things > On Mar 2, 2021, at 9:54 PM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev wrote: >=20 > Good Afternoon, >=20 > All people are entitled to privacy in their purse, and all = transactions should be open to the scrutiny of an honest government. You = can debate whether any government is honest. Mixing does not remove the = record from the public ledger, where it is possible to see that any = Bitcoin has transferred from an UTXO to some Pay-To address even with = some amount of transaction in between them. The value proposition is the = samehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dl9jOJk30eQs = - because people will = trust the system; people trust the existing consensus. >=20 > Let us dispense with the screen and deal with the issue only. If it is = not necessary to maintain consensus then what is consensus? >=20 > The intrinsic value of Bitcoin is because of the existing consensus. = Even if any proposal gains consensus there is no objective way to show = it improves the intrinsic value without trialing and the possibility of = failure and so protecting the existing consensus should be the highest = value. This understanding is the reason BCH exists in addition to BTC = Bitcoin. >=20 > KING JAMES HRMH > Great British Empire >=20 > Regards, > The Australian > LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) > of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire > MR. Damian A. James Williamson > Wills >=20 > et al. >=20 > =20 > Willtech > www.willtech.com.au > www.go-overt.com > and other projects > =20 > earn.com/willtech > linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson = >=20 >=20 > m. 0487135719 > f. +61261470192 >=20 >=20 > This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this = email if misdelivered. > From: Eric Voskuil > Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 9:37 AM > To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; Bitcoin = Protocol Discussion > Cc: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > =20 > To be clear, is this a NACK because Taproot reduces =E2=80=9Ctransparenc= y=E2=80=9D (increases privacy) on the chain (=E2=80=9Cmaintaining = consensus=E2=80=9D is obviously an argument against any protocol change, = so that=E2=80=99s a red herring)?=20 >=20 > And is it your theory that only an =E2=80=9Chonest=E2=80=9D (statute = abiding) person should have privacy, and not against the state, and/or = that mixers are sufficient privacy? >=20 > Personally, I=E2=80=99m not moved by such an argument. What do you = think is the value proposition of Bitcoin? >=20 > e >=20 >> On Mar 1, 2021, at 14:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >> Good Afternoon, >>=20 >> I am going to take tough terms with much of your reply and do = appreciate a courteous practice. Having previously made public = disclosure of my affiliation with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to = disclose my affiliation through the link in my email signature block. >>=20 >> My concern is not increased privacy it is maintaining consensus = values and the transparency of the blockchain wherein all transactions = are published in an immutable record and that forbids the redaction of = information by any obfuscation. A separate concern is the availability = of a privacy suitable for cash should a Bitcoin user desire and = especially without disturbing the existing consensus. >>=20 >> The use of a Bitcoin Mixer is to enable standard equivalent privacy. = As you may experience yourself, you do not allow people to follow you = around looking in your purse, suppose you are dealing entirely with = cash, and to see where and how much you fill it up, and where you spend. = Nonetheless, for an honest person, their wallet is available for = government audit as are their financial affairs. This is consistent with = the existing operation of consensus. >>=20 >> My full email signature block is a disclosure where I have some = affiliation with the referenced website being that it carries at least = some information that I have provided or that in some way I am = associated perhaps only making use of their services. For example, I = hardly make a profit from LinkedIn just my information is there. Also, I = have made previous public disclosure of the affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer = 2.0 is a partner mixer run by Jambler.io wherein I receive a service = referral fee and am not in receipt of any part of the process = transaction. The operation block diagram provided by Jambler.io is = provided here and attached. >> >>=20 >> [ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Operation of Jambler.io partner mixer >> = https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimages%2Fscheme= -1.png&t=3D622&c=3DgTi7r1cfh-yynw = >> from this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D5267588 = >>=20 >>=20 >> The installation script provided by Jambler.io that is the basis of = my referral website is also publicly published, >> https://github.com/jambler-io/bitcoin-mixer = >>=20 >> The disclosure for the partner program is available from Jambler.io = however and is made prominently on my referral website. While it may = seem lucrative at first I insist all partner profits are reportable on = your personal income. >> https://jambler.io/become-partner.php = >>=20 >> I am certainly better than confident that you appreciate the = difference between an open and transparent blockchain and the ability of = the user to not reveal details of the content of their wallet publicly. >>=20 >> If further clarification is required may I suggest you pay a token = and mix some Bitcoin wherein our discussion may then have some point of = reference. >>=20 >> KING JAMES HRMH >> Great British Empire >>=20 >> Regards, >> The Australian >> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) >> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire >> MR. Damian A. James Williamson >> Wills >>=20 >> et al. >>=20 >> =20 >> Willtech >> www.willtech.com.au >> www.go-overt.com >> and other projects >> =20 >> earn.com/willtech >> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson >>=20 >>=20 >> m. 0487135719 >> f. +61261470192 >>=20 >>=20 >> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard = this email if misdelivered. >> From: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces >> Sent: Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 AM >> To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; Bitcoin = Protocol Discussion >> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK >> =20 >> Hello LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH >>=20 >> I find a striking dichotomy between your concern of increased privacy = in bitcoin and your link to a bitcoin mixer in your signature = www.go-overt.com >>=20 >> At first your concerns seemed genuine but after seeing your promotion = of a bitcoin mixer I'm thinking your concerns may be more profit = motivated? I can't tell since you failed to disclose your relationship = with the mixer. >>=20 >> Could you please clarify your association with the bitcoin mixer and = moving forward could you please always do proper disclosure any time = you're publically talking about bitcoin transaction privacy. It's only = fair to do so as to not mislead people in an attempt to manipulate at = worst and just a courteous practice at best. >>=20 >> Cheers >> Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces >> On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:36 AM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev > wrote: >> Good Evening, >>=20 >> Thank-you for your advice @JeremyRubin = on the basis you advise, "Taproot = does not enable monero-like privacy features", I am prepred to withdraw = my NACK notably that the existing feeatures of Bitcoin MUST be = maintained, and whereby the UTXO of a transaction is identifiable, the = PayTo Address, and the amount all without any obfuscation. >>=20 >> Lightning does not really provide obfuscation, it provides a result = of a subset of transactions although the operation of the channel is = observable to the parties. >>=20 >> The reports I were reading concerning the supposed operation of = Taproot published in a public media channel may have been speculation or = misinformation nonetheless it is prudent to conditionally reply as you = see that I have. It is important not to allow things to slip through the = cracks. As you may believe may astute reviewers could make a full = disclosure to this list it is not to be expected. >>=20 >> KING JAMES HRMH=20 >> Great British Empire=20 >>=20 >> Regards,=20 >> The Australian=20 >> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)=20 >> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire=20 >> MR. Damian A. James Williamson=20 >> Wills=20 >>=20 >> et al.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> Willtech=20 >> www.willtech.com.au = >> www.go-overt.com = >> and other projects=20 >> =20 >> earn.com/willtech=20 >> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> m. 0487135719=20 >> f. +61261470192=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard = this email if misdelivered. >> From: Jeremy >> Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM >> To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH ; Bitcoin = Protocol Discussion >> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK >> =20 >> I have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy = features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core, = taproot is a way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts less = expensive, done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy = dependent on user behavior (but not in the monero-like way you mention). = For example, it makes it possible for lightning channels to look = structurally similar to single key wallets, but it does nothing = inherently to obfuscate the transaction graph as in monero.=20 >>=20 >> Such "monero-like" transaction graph obfuscation may already exist in = Bitcoin via other techniques (coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, lightning, = etc) with or without Taproot, so the point is further moot.=20 >>=20 >> Do you have a source on your reporting?=20 >>=20 >> You may wish to rescind your nack.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> @JeremyRubin = >>=20 >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev > wrote:=20 >> Good Afternoon,=20 >>=20 >> It has been reported that Taproot will enable some Monero like = features including the ability to hide transactions. >>=20 >> If that is the case I offer a full NACK and let me explain.=20 >>=20 >> A part of the benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full = transaction is published on the blockchain. If that were to change so = that transactions may be obfuscated from scrutiny then any government = would have unlimited impetus to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is = the reason India has been reported to have banned cryptocurrencies = already. >>=20 >> I am in support of the expanded use case of Bitcoin without harming = the established robust fairness and equal equity offered. The core = functionality of Bitcoin, its values, must remain unaltered.=20 >>=20 >> KING JAMES HRMH >> Great British Empire=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >> The Australian=20 >> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)=20 >> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire=20 >> MR. Damian A. James Williamson=20 >> Wills=20 >>=20 >> et al.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> Willtech >> www.willtech.com.au >> www.go-overt.com >> and other projects=20 >> =20 >> earn.com/willtech >> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson = >>=20 >>=20 >> m. 0487135719=20 >> f. +61261470192=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard = this email if misdelivered. >> _______________________________________________=20 >> bitcoin-dev mailing list=20 >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org = =20 >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev = =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev = >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev --Apple-Mail=_14F65612-CF5E-47B1-B0E5-2EAF55233E19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
=E2=80=9Call transactions should be open to the scrutiny of an honest = government=E2=80=9D

I agree with this. However, scrutiny does not imply dragnet = surveillance.

Bitcoin returns us, or at least aspires to return, to the = days of a gold standard.[0] You will be familiar with this, from your = time in Her Majesty=E2=80=99s empire.

In these days, scrutiny implied = detectives asking questions. Perhaps they would ask questions of = multiple parties and see if certain numbers matched. There was no = dragnet surveillance, and this as god intended.

We return to these days soon.

I agree with your point = about consensus as well. You are free to run a node supporting a dragnet = surveillance fork, and sell your coins that support gold-like privacy to = accumulate more dragnet surveillance coins. I wish you success with = that. 

[0]:= https://taaalk.co/t/bitcoin-maxima-other-crypto-things


On Mar 2, 2021, at 9:54 PM, = LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

Good = Afternoon,

All people are entitled to privacy in their purse, and = all transactions should be open to the scrutiny of an honest government. = You can debate whether any government is honest. Mixing does not remove = the record from the public ledger, where it is possible to see that any = Bitcoin has transferred from an UTXO to some Pay-To address even with = some amount of transaction in between them. The value proposition is the = samehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dl9jOJk30eQs - because people will trust = the system; people trust the existing consensus.

Let us dispense with the screen and deal with the = issue only. If it is not necessary to maintain consensus then what is = consensus?

The intrinsic value of = Bitcoin is because of the existing consensus. Even if any proposal gains = consensus there is no objective way to show it improves the intrinsic = value without trialing and the possibility of failure and so protecting = the existing consensus should be the highest value. This understanding = is the reason BCH exists in addition to BTC Bitcoin.

KING JAMES HRMH
Great British = Empire

Regards,
The = Australian
LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)
of = Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire
MR. = Damian A. James Williamson
Wills

et al.

 
Willtech
www.willtech.com.au
www.go-overt.com
and = other projects
 
earn.com/willtech
linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson


m. = 0487135719
f. +61261470192


This email does not constitute a general advice. Please = disregard this email if misdelivered.
From: Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 9:37 = AM
To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES = HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Ariel= Lorenzo-Luaces <arielluaces@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot = NACK
 
To be clear, is this a NACK = because Taproot reduces =E2=80=9Ctransparency=E2=80=9D (increases = privacy) on the chain (=E2=80=9Cmaintaining consensus=E2=80=9D is = obviously an argument against any protocol change, so that=E2=80=99s a = red herring)? 

And is it your theory that = only an =E2=80=9Chonest=E2=80=9D (statute abiding) person should have = privacy, and not against the state, and/or that mixers are sufficient = privacy?

Personally, I=E2=80=99m not moved by such an = argument. What do you think is the value proposition of = Bitcoin?

e

On Mar 1, 2021, at = 14:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Good = Afternoon,

I am going to take tough terms with much of your reply and do = appreciate a courteous practice. Having previously made public = disclosure of my affiliation with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to disclose my affiliation = through the link in my email signature block.

My concern is not = increased privacy it is maintaining consensus values and the = transparency of the blockchain wherein all transactions are published in = an immutable record and that forbids the redaction of information by any = obfuscation. A separate concern is the availability of a privacy = suitable for cash should a Bitcoin user desire and especially without = disturbing the existing consensus.

The use of a Bitcoin = Mixer is to enable standard equivalent privacy. As you may experience = yourself, you do not allow people to follow you around looking in your = purse, suppose you are dealing entirely with cash, and to see where and = how much you fill it up, and where you spend. Nonetheless, for an honest = person, their wallet is available for government audit as are their = financial affairs. This is consistent with the existing operation of = consensus.

My full email signature block = is a disclosure where I have some affiliation with the referenced = website being that it carries at least some information that I have = provided or that in some way I am associated perhaps only making use of = their services. For example, I hardly make a profit from LinkedIn just = my information is there. Also, I have made previous public disclosure of = the affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer 2.0 is a partner mixer run by Jambler.io wherein I receive a = service referral fee and am not in receipt of any part of the process = transaction. The operation block diagram provided by Jambler.io is provided here = and attached.
<ip.bitcointalk.org.png>

[ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Operation of Jambler.io partner mixer
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimag= es%2Fscheme-1.png&t=3D622&c=3DgTi7r1cfh-yynw

The installation script provided by Jambler.io that is the basis = of my referral website is also publicly published,

The disclosure for the partner program is available from Jambler.io however and is made = prominently on my referral website. While it may seem lucrative at first = I insist all partner profits are reportable on your personal = income.
https://jambler.io/become-partner.php

I am certainly = better than confident that you appreciate the difference between an open = and transparent blockchain and the ability of the user to not reveal = details of the content of their wallet publicly.

If further = clarification is required may I suggest you pay a token and mix some = Bitcoin wherein our discussion may then have some point of reference.

KING = JAMES HRMH
Great British Empire

Regards,
The Australian
LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES = HRMH (& HMRH)
of Hougun Manor & Glencoe = & British Empire
MR. Damian A. James = Williamson
Wills

et al.

 
Willtech
www.willtech.com.au
www.go-overt.com
and other projects
 
earn.com/willtech
linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson


m. = 0487135719
f. +61261470192


This email does not constitute a = general advice. Please disregard this email if misdelivered.
From: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces <arielluaces@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 = AM
To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES = HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot = NACK
 
Hello LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH

I find a = striking dichotomy between your concern of increased privacy in bitcoin = and your link to a bitcoin mixer in your signature www.go-overt.com

At first = your concerns seemed genuine but after seeing your promotion of a = bitcoin mixer I'm thinking your concerns may be more profit motivated? I = can't tell since you failed to disclose your relationship with the = mixer.

Could you please clarify your association with the bitcoin = mixer and moving forward could you please always do proper disclosure = any time you're publically talking about bitcoin transaction privacy. = It's only fair to do so as to not mislead people in an attempt to = manipulate at worst and just a courteous practice at best.

Cheers
Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces
On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:36 = AM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> = wrote:
Good Evening,

Thank-you for your advice  @JeremyRubin  on the basis you = advise, "Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy features", I am = prepred to withdraw my NACK notably that the existing feeatures of = Bitcoin MUST be maintained, and whereby the UTXO of a transaction is = identifiable, the PayTo Address, and the amount all without any = obfuscation.

Lightning does not really provide obfuscation, it provides a = result of a subset of transactions although the operation of the channel = is observable to the parties.

The reports I were reading concerning the supposed operation = of Taproot published in a public media channel may have been speculation = or misinformation nonetheless it is prudent to conditionally reply as = you see that I have. It is important not to allow things to slip through = the cracks. As you may believe may astute reviewers could make a full = disclosure to this list it is not to be expected.

KING JAMES HRMH 
Great British = Empire 

Regards, 
The Australian 
LORD HIS EXCELLENCY = JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) 
of Hougun Manor & = Glencoe & British Empire 
MR. Damian A. James = Williamson 
Wills 

et al. 

  
Willtech 
www.willtech.com.au
www.go-overt.com
and other projects 
  
earn.com/willtech 
linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson 


m. 0487135719 
f. +61261470192 


This email does not constitute a = general advice. Please disregard this email if = misdelivered.
From: Jeremy <jlrubin@mit.edu>
Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2021 = 3:14 AM
To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES = HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot = NACK
  
I = have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy = features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core, = taproot is a way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts less = expensive, done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy = dependent on user behavior (but not in the monero-like way you mention). = For example, it makes it possible for lightning channels to look = structurally similar to single key wallets, but it does nothing = inherently to obfuscate the transaction graph as in monero. 

Such "monero-like" transaction graph = obfuscation may already exist in Bitcoin via other techniques (coinjoin, = payjoin, coinswap, lightning, etc) with or without Taproot, so the point = is further moot. 

Do you have a source on your = reporting? 

You may wish to rescind your nack. 


-- 
@JeremyRubin


On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM = LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: 
Good Afternoon, 

It has been reported = that Taproot will enable some Monero like features including the ability = to hide transactions.

If that is the case I offer a = full NACK and let me explain. 

A part of the = benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full transaction is = published on the blockchain. If that were to change so that transactions = may be obfuscated from scrutiny then any government would have unlimited = impetus to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is the reason India has = been reported to have banned cryptocurrencies already.

I am in support of = the expanded use case of Bitcoin without harming the established robust = fairness and equal equity offered. The core functionality of Bitcoin, = its values, must remain unaltered. 

KING JAMES = HRMH
Great British = Empire 

Regards,
The Australian 
LORD = HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) 
of = Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire 
MR. = Damian A. James Williamson 
Wills 

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