Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YqN7C-0002N4-Vl for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 07 May 2015 14:49:30 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.149.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.149.101; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail149101.authsmtp.com; Received: from outmail149101.authsmtp.com ([62.13.149.101]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1YqN7B-0008O0-VA for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 07 May 2015 14:49:30 +0000 Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt15.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t47EnN6J028179; Thu, 7 May 2015 15:49:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from savin.petertodd.org (75-119-251-161.dsl.teksavvy.com [75.119.251.161]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id t47EnIKL083927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 7 May 2015 15:49:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 10:49:18 -0400 From: Peter Todd To: Justus Ranvier Message-ID: <20150507144918.GA6761@savin.petertodd.org> References: <554A91BE.6060105@bluematt.me> <554B78DE.20600@localhost.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <554B78DE.20600@localhost.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Server-Quench: 3f3771ac-f4c8-11e4-9f74-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aAdMdgUUFVQNAgsB AmMbWlFeVFR7W2I7 bA9PbARUfEhLXhtr VklWR1pVCwQmRRgG c0BnKWVyfwZPenk+ bUZhWT5YCkd9ckcs EVMCET4OeGZhPWQC WRZfcx5UcAFPdx8U a1N6AHBDAzANdhES HhM4ODE3eDlSNilR RRkIIFQOdA4hGjk3 RFg5HCciVWwDTD8+ JgcrQl4B X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 75.119.251.161/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1YqN7B-0008O0-VA Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 14:49:31 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 04:38:22PM +0200, Justus Ranvier wrote: > On 05/07/2015 04:04 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > - This is a major change to the economics of a $3.2B system. This > > change picks winners and losers. There is attendant moral hazard. >=20 > This is exactly true. >=20 > There are a number of projects which aren't Bitcoin that benefit from > filling in the gap left by Bitcoin's restricted transaction rate > capability. >=20 > If Bitcoin fills that gap, Bitcoin wins and those other projects lose. >=20 > Should decisions about Bitcoin development take into account the > desires of competing projects? Well, basically you're asking if we shouldn't assume the people in this discussion have honest intentions. If you want to go down that path, keep in mind where it leads. I think we'll find an basic assumption of civility to be more productive, until proven otherwise. (e.g. NSA ties) --=20 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 00000000000000000d49f263bbbb80f264abc7cc930fc9cbc7ba80ac068d9648 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGrBAEBCACVBQJVS3tqXhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwZDQ5ZjI2M2JiYmI4MGYyNjRhYmM3Y2M5MzBmYzljYmM3 YmE4MGFjMDY4ZDk2NDgvFIAAAAAAFQARcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JncGV0 ZUBwZXRlcnRvZC5vcmcACgkQJIFAPaXwkfvjkggAg1um0Q8Kd8kRQxZd8wDD2a2N CenoH6v8g9kNJnhx6Nq0pcyy/KrUNV7lQ19hQgrlkIniUqLkkZ+co8ya5MrRVLVk HHQj+vje/MxF+sWQPuAUty9LEXv87G+5CAPK2R/BlosvQDgoewmr75EuPIsQv0uU Q6BRQsVL8voaJdTyiy/0V1n+xePI92yHFEO18bRKaSQoDpaGzCFamkra5IKkVrp6 A5aRJj8qnW8dD+LY1zhpGdonGmfMZvah+12JPwEOuVlrzkdzJGdl5qHcHo1sYBRg i2U9KXGYcd4xZ9i4dztN3VDjr8r0Baw91/RZ+a+oQYSerUDd61VIy+PPGxbYUQ== =xN6P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8--