Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F1DC002D for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 08:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0167D81BB0 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 08:09:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org 0167D81BB0 Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gap600.com header.i=@gap600.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=google header.b=i4o9d96x X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JGUspOOFoyKg for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 08:09:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org 1847280A46 Received: from mail-il1-x12f.google.com (mail-il1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1847280A46 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 08:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-il1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id x11so4643103ilo.13 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 00:09:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gap600.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=rHq62k2AG+gRqYrs6yu6l4KZ9n8KyYrUYHa7skpYMbk=; b=i4o9d96xGfTaa8ZLVUiAyZM058N6jOPEfW7vLPFzOXJRPdcb2w/BYJYZcCk+omBDV+ QUef3ezeqt6irqFc+MTFVVDaNcM3mAmvCryMKmxW9ub8S2JgUoBn71gv9gh2YEZsW2Lf MT04uQtPoJQJk2X8ItuQs4bSFE1UZDQpYbAQ4ycEe9fbO90u3R9pPoWNut9le8xq4M4v bPwqhz709vwlQwOV/pb8m1nCnudLKQbCUpnV2ZIXF56wtlXySTO1DucjO+OS12D1nSqf aDrAkjav1NSECy9EgrWWLmqX5MOee86DuH4+ORpD9w10zl6niv33KcZstMtHp3CUPH8f pt2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=rHq62k2AG+gRqYrs6yu6l4KZ9n8KyYrUYHa7skpYMbk=; b=Dx6yH2+vof7tV6qGr+0qgDd/FbomPUYzZTreMgbPmsaGQWMRlrQmwovzLRFhTmJG1M KF7c8tcmJdlFYYAOGwBhscr59BmBoSpkNOvlDQxqC0aA1DB9s6uVPwymthOv2XOR161y 85fhl7hfXbltTorT1Ud60h+rtB5VPr2d8zm9g5X9oUyvkHtUBa0EHMwx6m8T6jowf0RE yS7T5QH9rkiAJY7w14uA0c13v8Cy4386wz6BjRnMriQcPTop3y6Q3ZPLmPDA2iOejNBK yNqumXzTef5GbS8AkWycCXgFH1RBtooaM2IHmT8dE1aAmDrHi85iDPZ8ur3DsypaQlZ3 9ZSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pmcCThp+rA/uzBUoSbezyi4CXA7FCC5BQffS0Z37Qnn9HTjHL3F tE2pHR8CjIhtzLyRZJTJ3AztHmJ4/7xmAISFuXtjAoLvrKn1mKQq X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4Iqb848UN0FH3JRZrVoOlkfCfSJlczh4v7QqWcsvFwMyCASPTXSq39ydyjMRggAxvp64/fMMGGzUjPgQKUHzM= X-Received: by 2002:a92:3603:0:b0:302:f382:3652 with SMTP id d3-20020a923603000000b00302f3823652mr32758999ila.110.1670918949924; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 00:09:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Daniel Lipshitz Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 10:08:59 +0200 Message-ID: To: Yuval Kogman Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007589df05efb122fa" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 13:07:59 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion , john@synonym.to Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A proposal for Full RBF to not exclude Zero Conf use case X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 08:09:12 -0000 --0000000000007589df05efb122fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thank you for bringing that to my attention, apologies for not being aware of it. First-seen-safe replace-by-fee as detailed here https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html by Peter Todd seems to be a very suitable option and route which balances FullRBF while retaining the significant 0-conf use case. This would seem like a good way forward. ________________________________ On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:20 AM Yuval Kogman wrote: > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008248.html > --0000000000007589df05efb122fa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable