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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:46:10 +0200
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From: Natanael <natanael.l@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship
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One last comment here on this topic;

For anybody who wants to discuss decentralized communication mechanisms in
general, they can come to www.reddit.com/r/p2pcomms (up until these
decentralized forums have become stable and common).

I've seen quite a few more of these projects lately, I want to make a list
of them and would definitely like to contribute to making them not just
usable, but good enough to gain popularity on their own.

(And in case you wonder about my approach to moderation: let every user
pick which moderators / filters / servers he trusts, and let them share
their subscription preferences in place of sharing links to centralized
forums.)

- Sent from my phone
Den 31 aug 2015 10:45 skrev "NxtChg via bitcoin-dev" <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>:

>
> >I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly decentralized as I
> nor anyone else will be able to control it.
>
> Zander is working on the same thing:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/AetheralResearch/
>
> But it's actually quite difficult to make it truly censorship-resistant:
> both in solving the theymos factor and spam/abuse/overloading as an attack.
>
>
> >There is no doubt that the centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin
> community is massively inhibiting the advance of Bitcoin
> >and also the growth of the Bitcoin economy. We are scaring away
> intellectuals, businessman, and newbies that are just getting started.
>
> We have /r/bitcoinxt and so far it has been great. But we also need a
> regular forum.
>
> Roger Ver controls bitcoin.com, as I understand?
> https://bitcoin.com/forum/ would be nice.
>
> And it must be a real community, not "say whatever you want because free
> speech". We've seen how that turned out to be.
>
> Something like battle.net or Steam forums: heavily moderated, not for
> opinions, but for spam/noise/insults.
>
> Again, this needs leadership. Anyone can install a forum software, what is
> needed is an "official seal of approval" and regular presence of top XT
> people there.
>
> And a will to setup proper moderation. Then people will move.
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">One last comment here on this topic;</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">For anybody who wants to discuss decentralized communication=
 mechanisms in general, they can come to <a href=3D"http://www.reddit.com/r=
/p2pcomms">www.reddit.com/r/p2pcomms</a> (up until these decentralized foru=
ms have become stable and common).</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve seen quite a few more of these projects lately, I w=
ant to make a list of them and would definitely like to contribute to makin=
g them not just usable, but good enough to gain popularity on their own. </=
p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">(And in case you wonder about my approach to moderation: let=
 every user pick which moderators / filters / servers he trusts, and let th=
em share their subscription preferences in place of sharing links to centra=
lized forums.) </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">- Sent from my phone</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 31 aug 2015 10:45 skrev &quot;NxtChg via bit=
coin-dev&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"=
>bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;:<br type=3D"attribution"><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
&gt;I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly decentralized as=
 I nor anyone else will be able to control it.<br>
<br>
Zander is working on the same thing: <a href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/Ae=
theralResearch/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.reddit.co=
m/r/AetheralResearch/</a><br>
<br>
But it&#39;s actually quite difficult to make it truly censorship-resistant=
: both in solving the theymos factor and spam/abuse/overloading as an attac=
k.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt;There is no doubt that the centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin=
 community is massively inhibiting the advance of Bitcoin<br>
&gt;and also the growth of the Bitcoin economy. We are scaring away intelle=
ctuals, businessman, and newbies that are just getting started.<br>
<br>
We have /r/bitcoinxt and so far it has been great. But we also need a regul=
ar forum.<br>
<br>
Roger Ver controls <a href=3D"http://bitcoin.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">bitcoin.com</a>, as I understand? <a href=3D"https://bitcoin.co=
m/forum/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://bitcoin.com/forum/</=
a> would be nice.<br>
<br>
And it must be a real community, not &quot;say whatever you want because fr=
ee speech&quot;. We&#39;ve seen how that turned out to be.<br>
<br>
Something like <a href=3D"http://battle.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">battle.net</a> or Steam forums: heavily moderated, not for opinions,=
 but for spam/noise/insults.<br>
<br>
Again, this needs leadership. Anyone can install a forum software, what is =
needed is an &quot;official seal of approval&quot; and regular presence of =
top XT people there.<br>
<br>
And a will to setup proper moderation. Then people will move.<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.=
linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
</blockquote></div>

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