Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E4DB5AE for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:36:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32589211 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbbyj8 with SMTP id yj8so30720103lbb.0 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:36:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bBFzooy8QcmLzHzV4nAl4X7J0fb4auje9IVPM6pjmw4=; b=dFV/Pn/CdJPlPq6XC0c0pB+OyNF42Vgk4i4TmZPnAFYKTrPpt2+P/8RderUOgd8rZ3 aXPwMqH/kNl2wYb62dQt6OwDHpYfWHZYkeH/Dsz0RC6cFKJxK3KOd6qm5lQQJo/Mhsl0 78imNOdRbhwdGqGUIkGuGoDeQYfqR0WslkdqPFpgPm3IxMd+gYZfO1vrHmCLdRZib9Fu pcLslty8Wl99oSgFKkWUvN6l4kTW0Kz0pqDKcIhMdLRX8L9m59kcVrFcXrXF7acr1YPp GVFeI9AgO74mKePlp1Rx1pCXUo8pG0Ryt8AgLz9hFHtasERxiyM13zAB0KptVuyxAo1M t1Iw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.13.97 with SMTP id g1mr45454351lbc.52.1438274189604; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.18.166 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:36:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:36:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Bryan Bishop To: Jameson Lopp , Bryan Bishop , bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3b208293d9b051c1a4e69 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Block size following technological growth X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:36:32 -0000 --001a11c3b208293d9b051c1a4e69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jameson Lopp via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Stated differently, if the cost or contention of using the network rises > to the point of excluding the average user from making transactions, then > they probably aren't going to care that they can run a node at trivial cost. That's an interesting claim; so suppose you're living in a future where transactions are summarizing millions or billions of other daily transactions, possibly with merkle hashes. You think that because a user can't individually broadcast his own personal transaction, that the user would not be interested in verifying the presence of a summarizing transaction in the blockchain? I'm just curious if you could elaborate on this effect. Why would I need to see my individual transactions on the network, but not see aggregate transactions that include my own? - Bryan http://heybryan.org/ 1 512 203 0507 --001a11c3b208293d9b051c1a4e69 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= hu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jameson Lopp via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Stated differently, if the cost or contention of u= sing the network rises to the point of excluding the average user from maki= ng transactions, then they probably aren't going to care that they can = run a node at trivial cost.

That's an interesting= claim; so suppose you're living in a future where transactions are sum= marizing millions or billions of other daily transactions, possibly with me= rkle hashes. You think that because a user can't individually broadcast= his own personal transaction, that the user would not be interested in ver= ifying the presence of a summarizing transaction in the blockchain? I'm= just curious if you could elaborate on this effect. Why would I need to se= e my individual transactions on the network, but not see aggregate transact= ions that include my own?

= - Bryan
http://heybry= an.org/
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