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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:36:29 -0500
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From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com>
To: Jameson Lopp <jameson.lopp@gmail.com>, Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Block size following technological growth
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jameson Lopp via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Stated differently, if the cost or contention of using the network rises
> to the point of excluding the average user from making transactions, then
> they probably aren't going to care that they can run a node at trivial cost.


That's an interesting claim; so suppose you're living in a future where
transactions are summarizing millions or billions of other daily
transactions, possibly with merkle hashes. You think that because a user
can't individually broadcast his own personal transaction, that the user
would not be interested in verifying the presence of a summarizing
transaction in the blockchain? I'm just curious if you could elaborate on
this effect. Why would I need to see my individual transactions on the
network, but not see aggregate transactions that include my own?

- Bryan
http://heybryan.org/
1 512 203 0507

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">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_b=
lank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><block=
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ng transactions, then they probably aren&#39;t going to care that they can =
run a node at trivial cost.</blockquote></div><br>That&#39;s an interesting=
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marizing millions or billions of other daily transactions, possibly with me=
rkle hashes. You think that because a user can&#39;t individually broadcast=
 his own personal transaction, that the user would not be interested in ver=
ifying the presence of a summarizing transaction in the blockchain? I&#39;m=
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- Bryan<br><a href=3D"http://heybryan.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://heybry=
an.org/</a><br>1 512 203 0507</div>
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