Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XTYoc-00005t-1n for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:07:46 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from galore.getmail.no ([84.210.184.6]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1XTYoa-0002IS-D6 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:07:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by galore.getmail.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BD340A6D for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from galore.getmail.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (galore.get.c.bitbit.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Hwy-iYJdBXcj for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by galore.getmail.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3468D42D09 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:07:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at galore.get.c.bitbit.net Received: from galore.getmail.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (galore.get.c.bitbit.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id nkcQVausr7u9 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from coldstorage.localnet (cm-84.208.97.23.getinternet.no [84.208.97.23]) by galore.getmail.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A8B40A6D for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:07:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Zander To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:07:37 +0200 Message-ID: <1691559.E4oGFnMDVX@coldstorage> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.14-2-amd64; KDE/4.14.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <3205491.XcafbkJRvW@crushinator> References: <20140913135528.GC6333@muck> <3586037.E6tZxYPG6n@coldstorage> <3205491.XcafbkJRvW@crushinator> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. X-Headers-End: 1XTYoa-0002IS-D6 Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:07:46 -0000 On Monday 15. September 2014 11.51.35 Matt Whitlock wrote: > If you were merely attaching your public key to them, then the email server > could have been systematically replacing your public key with some other > public key, The beauty of publicly archived mailinglists make it impossible to get away with this without detection. I recall reading the awesome book "The inmates are running the asylum" which states that solutions created by software engineers typically suffer from the flaw of absolutes. (find the part where he describes homo-digitalus for more) I think this applies to PGP and your objection; in order to make it absolutely correct, you need to introduce loads of things. Signatures, WoT, etc. PGP&GPG do this. But each change of the normal workflow means you loose about 50% of your audience... So, my silly example is not perfect. But I bet its good enough for most. In the end the value of the imperfect solution is higher than the perfect one.