Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Wbt7K-0000R1-BB for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:53:14 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.223.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.174; envelope-from=pieter.wuille@gmail.com; helo=mail-ie0-f174.google.com; Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com ([209.85.223.174]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Wbt7H-0004SV-55 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:53:14 +0000 Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id rp18so3133237iec.33 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 07:53:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.41.212 with SMTP id q20mr670681ice.80.1398005585824; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 07:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.141.135 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 07:53:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3A69904F-0A3D-42E9-9DE7-067874E710BB@bitsofproof.com> References: <3A69904F-0A3D-42E9-9DE7-067874E710BB@bitsofproof.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:53:05 +0200 Message-ID: From: Pieter Wuille To: Tamas Blummer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (pieter.wuille[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Wbt7H-0004SV-55 Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] "bits": Unit of account X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:53:14 -0000 I told him specifically to bring it here (on a pull request for Bitcoin Core), as there is no point in making such convention changes to just one client. I wasn't aware of any discussion about the "bits" proposal here before. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Tamas Blummer wrote: > People on this list are mostly engineers who have no problem dealing with > magnitudes and have rather limited empathy for people who have a problem > with them. > They also tend to think, that because they invented money 2.0 they would not > need to care of finance's or people's current customs. > > The importance of their decisions in these questions will fade as people > already use wallets other than the core. > > Bring this particular discussion elsewhere, to the wallet developer. > > BTW the topic was discussed here several times, you have my support and Jeff > Garzik's. > > Regards, > > Tamas Blummer > http://bitsofproof.com > > On 20.04.2014, at 15:15, Rob Golding wrote: > > The average person is not going to be confident that the prefix they > are using is the correct one, > > > The use of any 'prefix' is one of choice and entirely unnecessary, and there > are already established 'divisions' in u/mBTC for those that feel they need > to use such things. > > people WILL send 1000x more or less than > intended if we go down this road, > > > Exceptionally unlikely - I deal every day with currencies with 0, 2 and 3 > dp's in amount ranging from 'under 1 whole unit' to tens of thousands - Not > once in 20 years has anyone ever 'sent' more or less than intended - oh, > they've 'intended' to underpay just fine, but never *unintended*. > > I propose that users are offered a preference to denominate the > Bitcoin currency in a unit called a bit. Where one bitcoin (BTC) > equals one million bits (bits) and one bit equals 100 satoshis. > > > I propose that for people unable to understand what a bitcoin is, they can > just use satoshi's and drop this entire proposal. > > Rob > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book > "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their > applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, > this first edition is now available. 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