Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 288D98BA for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:37:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from manxnetsf05.manx.net (outbound.manx.net [213.137.31.12]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 944B016B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from adsl178.16.5.237.manx.net (EHLO coldstorage.localnet) ([178.16.5.237]) by manxnetsf05.manx.net (MOS 4.4.5a-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id EFW58530; Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:37:03 +0100 (BST) From: Thomas Zander To: Bitcoin Dev Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:37:02 +0200 Message-ID: <1725491.c810VbMBxP@coldstorage> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.1 (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64; KDE/4.14.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <8185694.hShCHQnpze@coldstorage> <20150808085451.4689995.38052.4163@thomaszander.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 178.16.5.237 coldstorage.localnet thomas@thomaszander.se 5 none X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=manxnetsf05.manx.net X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.55C5F7EF.00B8, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.55C5F7EF.00B8, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 24dfd6aff0edc0402cf1b89e428cb32e X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 12:37:07 -0000 On Saturday 8. August 2015 12.54.36 Adam Back wrote: > On 8 August 2015 at 09:54, Thomas Zander wrote: > > I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase with > > trusted middleman. > That's basically the definition of off-chain. When we say MtGox or > coinbase etc are off-chain transactions, that is because a middle man > has the private keys to the coins and gave you an IOU of some kind. I'm so sorry to have to correct you again, and please don't feel bad about misreading my post twice. Sending something to another Bitcoin on-chain user is really on-chain. Please believe me when I say that I actually understand my own example. -- Thomas Zander