Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D23BC0001 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D4960606 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:45:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LcSJ45e3t57R for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:45:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net (relay10.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.230]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A074360605 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [109.228.78.226]) (Authenticated sender: email@yancy.lol) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A813A240006; Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:45:47 +0000 (UTC) From: yancy To: Lonero Foundation Message-ID: <31108cac-c3d5-4435-9ca0-41153545855b@yancy.lol> In-Reply-To: References: <1802-604c7400-4d1-7b635e80@91248813> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8_61239676.1615650349494" X-Correlation-ID: <31108cac-c3d5-4435-9ca0-41153545855b@yancy.lol> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 22:53:20 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:45:57 -0000 ------=_Part_8_61239676.1615650349494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok thanks.=C2=A0 Using the correct terminology helps people understand what= you're talking about and take you seriously. Cheers, -Yancy Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation : > Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorithm an= d key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to=C2=A0asym= metric cryptography in regards to the key validation. I should have used a = different term though instead of, "In regards to cryptographic hashing,", I= should have stated in regards to cryptographic key validation. There are a= few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I should make in order to = not draw confusion. I will do a repo update today. Honest mistake, but enou= gh with the sarcasm. >=20 > Best regards, Andrew >=20 > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol wrote: >> My email was not intended as an insult.=C2=A0 Your proposal seemed a bit= like gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed out before (such = as conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genuinely curious if you= were a bot spamming the list. >> =C2=A0 >> Maybe a more interesting topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?= =C2=A0 How long before our AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?=C2= =A0 At what point will the AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?=C2=A0= Will we have lost the war to our new centralized overlord? >>=20 >> Cheers, >> -Yancy >>=20 >>=20 >> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation wrote: >> =C2=A0 >>> Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation cryptogr= aphy in that aspect: https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptograph= y-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples= .html >>> My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want to develop proof= s for and the different cryptographic elements I want to develop proofs for= . >>> That said to those who disagree with the premise, I do prefer construct= ive feedback over insults or making fun of one another. After all this is a= n improvement proposal with a specific purpose aiming to develop a specific= thing, not a guy who is just wanting to copy and paste a repository and ca= ll it a day. >>> =C2=A0 >>> Best regards, Andrew >>> =C2=A0 >>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation wrote: >>>> Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point isn't just to create a= BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main point i= n regards to this BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces or creates = an alternative. Many of the problems faced in regards to security in the fu= ture as well as sustainability is something I believe lots of the changes I= am proposing can fix. In regards to technological implementation, once thi= s is assigned draft status I am more than willing to create preprints expla= ining the cryptography, hashing algorithm improvements, and consensus that = I am working on. This is a highly technologically complex idea that I am wi= lling to "call my bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a draft, I thi= nk this is a good starting point at least for draft status prior to working= on technological implementation. >>>> =C2=A0 >>>> Best regards, Andrew >>>> =C2=A0 >>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol wrot= e: >>>>> I think Andrew himself is an algo.=C2=A0 The crypto training set must= not be very good. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> -Yancy >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-de= v wrote: >>>>> =C2=A0 >>>>>> =E2=80=A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> =C2=A0 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =C2=A0 ------=_Part_8_61239676.1615650349494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Ok thanks.  Using the c= orrect terminology helps people understand what you're talking about and ta= ke you seriously.=20
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Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorith= m and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to = asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation. = I should have used a different term though instead of, "In regards to crypt= ographic hashing,", I should have stated in regards to cryptographic key va= lidation. There are a few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I sho= uld make in order to not draw confusion. I will do a repo update today. Hon= est mistake, but enough with the sarcasm.=20

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My email was not intended as an= insult.  Your proposal seemed a bit like gibberish and made some obvi= ous mistakes as pointed out before (such as conflating secp256k1 with sha25= 6), and so I was genuinely curious if you were a bot spamming the list.

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Maybe a more interest= ing topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?  How long before our= AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?  At what point will the= AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?  Will we have lost the war= to our new centralized overlord?

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