Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 11:10:08 +0100 (CET)
From: Prayank <prayank@tutanota.de>
To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Yesterday's Taproot activation meeting on
 lockinontimeout (LOT)
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Hello Everyone,

The below comment by Matt about different implementations and their opinion=
 on `lockinontimeout` is from 18 Feb 2021 communication:=C2=A0https://lists=
.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018433.html

>=C2=A0If the eventual outcome is that different implementations (that have=
 material *transaction processing* userbases, and I=E2=80=99m not sure to w=
hat extent that=E2=80=99s true with Knots) ship different consensus rules, =
we should stop here and not activate Taproot. Seriously. Bitcoin is a conse=
nsus system. The absolute worst outcome at all possible is to have it fall =
out of consensus.

I don't agree to the part that 'we should stop and not activate taproot'. I=
nstead it will be helpful if we can educate most of the people about trade-=
offs involved in both options with some tables, charts etc.

I think its time to use Bitcoin Knots for more projects and also maintain m=
ultiple forks of Bitcoin Core. This is not just limited to `LOT=3DTrue or F=
alse` but few other things and in general its good for decentralization of =
Bitcoin. Bitcoin Core is used by most of the nodes according to this pie ch=
art:=C2=A0https://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/software.ht=
ml=C2=A0however having multiple forks of Bitcoin Core with real usage, more=
 maintainers in different parts of the world (some even anon), few differen=
t features, more reviewers, better communication channels etc. will help ev=
eryone involved in Bitcoin.

I am working on a project right now which involves multisig, discreet log c=
ontracts, liquid etc. Using bitcoin-s for it because I need DLC but still d=
epending on Bitcoin Core in it. Would try Bitcoin Knots and other implement=
ations soon and also have been looking for developers good with C++ and Pyt=
hon, living in India who are interested to maintain a fork of Bitcoin Core =
with few changes. I had shared about in replies to Amir Taaki's tweet few d=
ays back.

--
Prayank


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a(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-user-drag: none;">&gt;&nbsp;If the eventual outcome =
is that different implementations (that have material *transaction processi=
ng* userbases, and I=E2=80=99m not sure to what extent that=E2=80=99s true =
with Knots) ship different consensus rules, we should stop here and not act=
ivate Taproot. Seriously. Bitcoin is a consensus system. The absolute worst=
 outcome at all possible is to have it fall out of consensus.<br></div><div=
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nt; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-user-drag: none;=
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t: text !important; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-=
user-drag: none;">I don't agree to the part that 'we should stop and not ac=
tivate taproot'. Instead it will be helpful if we can educate most of the p=
eople about trade-offs involved in both options with some tables, charts et=
c.<br></div><div style=3D"outline: none; box-sizing: border-box; user-selec=
t: text !important; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-=
user-drag: none;"><br></div><div style=3D"outline: none; box-sizing: border=
-box; user-select: text !important; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0,=
 0, 0); -webkit-user-drag: none;">I think its time to use Bitcoin Knots for=
 more projects and also maintain multiple forks of Bitcoin Core. This is no=
t just limited to `LOT=3DTrue or False` but few other things and in general=
 its good for decentralization of Bitcoin. Bitcoin Core is used by most of =
the nodes according to this pie chart:&nbsp;<a style=3D"outline: none; box-=
sizing: border-box; color: inherit; user-select: text !important; -webkit-t=
ap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-us=
er-drag: none;" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" href=3D"https=
://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/software.html">https://luk=
e.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/software.html</a>&nbsp;however h=
aving multiple forks of Bitcoin Core with real usage, more maintainers in d=
ifferent parts of the world (some even anon), few different features, more =
reviewers, better communication channels etc. will help everyone involved i=
n Bitcoin.<br></div><div style=3D"outline: none; box-sizing: border-box; us=
er-select: text !important; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); =
-webkit-user-drag: none;"><br></div><div style=3D"outline: none; box-sizing=
: border-box; user-select: text !important; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rg=
ba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-user-drag: none;">I am working on a project right n=
ow which involves multisig, discreet log contracts, liquid etc. Using bitco=
in-s for it because I need DLC but still depending on Bitcoin Core in it. W=
ould try Bitcoin Knots and other implementations soon and also have been lo=
oking for developers good with C++ and Python, living in India who are inte=
rested to maintain a fork of Bitcoin Core with few changes. I had shared ab=
out in replies to Amir Taaki's tweet few days back.<br></div><div style=3D"=
outline: none; box-sizing: border-box; user-select: text !important; -webki=
t-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-user-drag: none;"><br></di=
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mportant; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-user-drag:=
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er-select: text !important; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); =
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