Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvjO-0001Cz-PV for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:31:16 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=justusranvier@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net; Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1YLvjI-0006SG-QI for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:31:06 +0000 Received: from plantcutter.riseup.net (plantcutter-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA3D1419BA for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: justusranvier) with ESMTPSA id 5B842224D3 Received: from [192.168.202.127] (unknown [192.168.202.127]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by nobelium.whale.ddns.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ACFD0DB75A for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:30:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <54DCC727.8090203@riseup.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:30:47 +0000 From: Justus Ranvier MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net References: <20150212064719.GA6563@savin.petertodd.org> In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=EAD9E623; url=http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2A5FDA70EAD9E623 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010004050006010307090904" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.5 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [198.252.153.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Headers-End: 1YLvjI-0006SG-QI Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:31:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010004050006010307090904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 02/12/2015 03:20 PM, Natanael wrote: > Multisignature notaries need to convince people to select them. > They want to know that even with collateral, their funds won't be > temporarily locked up and unspendable for days at a time. > > What services would miners provide here, do you think? > >> Well, sure. It's the same model governments use and is why being >> a money > transmitter in the USA is so difficult: you need to put up large > sums of money as collateral and have your fingerprints taken 48 > times. Then you can start advertising to get customers! > > Obviously you need to have collateral to provide collateral. Can't > make cryptographic verifiable guarantees if you don't have the > resources to back them. tl;dr: Bitcoin users aren't getting very excited about somebody's pet hub-and-spoke project, so they decide to distribute a patch that will change Bitcoin's behavior such that people are forced to adopt them. Scorched earth, indeed. - -- Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible. 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