Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7219D489 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:15:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from pmx.vmail.no (pmx.vmail.no [193.75.16.11]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025BE112 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:15:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pmx.vmail.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pmx.isp.as2116.net) with SMTP id D803F21E27 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.bluecom.no (smtp.bluecom.no [193.75.75.28]) by pmx.vmail.no (pmx.isp.as2116.net) with ESMTP id CC30B205F0 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:15:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from coldstorage.localnet (unknown [81.191.185.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.bluecom.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBCFFAC for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:15:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Zander To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:15:01 +0200 Message-ID: <3110561.I4CKJCzncK@coldstorage> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.1 (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64; KDE/4.14.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <1B7F00D3-41AE-44BF-818D-EC4EF279DC11@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Why Satoshi's temporary anti-spam measure isn't temporary X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:15:05 -0000 I have just been around for 2 years or so, and its interesting to see you two argue and give links to the past conversations. But do realize that if you argue in public about content that is easy to read by anyone that you have to double check your memory fits the facts. And I feel you skipped that this time... On Wednesday 29. July 2015 19.53.02 Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev wrote: > (The same message also mentions that smart contracts can be used to > create trustless trade with off-chain systems; > As well, later in that > thread: "it will be much easier if you can freely use all the space > you need without worrying about paying fees for expensive space in > Bitcoin's chain.") Hmm... A DNS record is much much bigger than a single bitcoin transaction has space for. I don't think you can take his quote out of context. The thread shows that having a full domain-registry DB on chain is what he was explaining doesn't fit with Bitcoin. So Satoshi just explains that a rich database shouldn't live on the blockchain. Similarly with the quote you made before; "Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale." It just fights the stupid idea of sharing the blockchain space with tons of global databases. Please re-read the whole thread as it really doesn't support your view that Satoshi argued that somehow decentralization would be protected by limiting the size of the chain. -- Thomas Zander