Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 843EE9FA for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:51:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wm0-f45.google.com (mail-wm0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC46A12E for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 1so64516864wmz.1 for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2016 22:51:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=iULINATpsCHFCiuzBxoRxUFyvBzFSa1A2N/KJ1hTDPc=; b=m56wdlQ+2jmmES8PRy8ZIrFLHHb9orEMRCA2LJbB7EVZgdsyuQl6+2v2AO5MB7Qqhx ZI8NMPu8soaoSbjV2ksLWLIb1tHLiDSIDe4DfJBNJEiqdmXiidi+XpWiyLW6qqImYTW3 E/LZFrDnu0Y5DCpvyLJH8cYUGGmF+MzmDRRloNiXq99mgyEnnLAqfss4s72svsKTzqM4 unJJN49HT+kn5vu9GKC7bf8/oGJSFqJdN3siQmL1s33F7menkZ77fR38BcdIk39yRi7P /tLQFwVldajDiyVlRrjmn/kkZgMPiukjfs9Pgg9YZ0SkqCyKdqvJMYeXiPGOulKUUG2Q a/Uw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=iULINATpsCHFCiuzBxoRxUFyvBzFSa1A2N/KJ1hTDPc=; b=cilkrgE5tblPtleqgRx6QueeUs3YcwM7OpugtBYVMOe2r2uXeYtfCVkl51aUSCFt57 BJVLqA5WG2Z3YqdpSHkkg/+/8d4zJKigPmsWBaJsrAkNPA9pU6f73D/JpfGLlqkWHxtY Xh/OahmYxXALlqhGPyYB9Dr7QVwtVY/aM8Aq/ZkVJMpL84RsPaTuYE44ZIgl6xVtY6zw JvSzy+9OVsWru+DVL+jJP03mQKlDqrtkqGsc7SsTkAmde/yk7wMUuocq19BwWT4RUmzi wlqxYXhCWHpqSHzQ0gi5tkHgNldywyflv2nf3qiyCxEyAL8FfeOvsHkoEiKo+Tmacslz 0UvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPJ83ycFR5AEIg1LPi71LMdmfV8ZuHEzGqU/BYtr0dPg7n3/dGS0h3dncGKW+Cw/A== X-Received: by 10.194.95.197 with SMTP id dm5mr5921005wjb.181.1473486680430; Fri, 09 Sep 2016 22:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amethyst.visucore.com (d222031.upc-d.chello.nl. [213.46.222.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bt5sm6628354wjb.35.2016.09.09.22.51.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Sep 2016 22:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 07:51:17 +0200 From: "Wladimir J. van der Laan" To: Gregory Maxwell , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Message-ID: <20160910055117.GA5726@amethyst.visucore.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Completing the retirement of the alert system X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:51:38 -0000 On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 12:42:30AM +0000, Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev wrote: > The alert system was a centralized facility to allow trusted parties > to send messages to be displayed in wallet software (and, very early > on, actually remotely trigger the software to stop transacting). > > It has been removed completely in Bitcoin Core after being disabled for a while. As it has been disabled in relevant software I think it's mostly symbolic at this point, but yes, it makes sense to 'officially' retire the key. Let's pin the date and make it widely known. Doing this in organized fashion is much better than the whodunit that would undoubtly follow when the key would simply leak, which could happen at any time, as no one can know who it has spread to over all those years. Re: timing, I'd say leave three months grace time after this announcement for altcoins and such that may have accidentally have copied it to remove it, then at the beginning of 2017 broadcast the final alert. After that it's neutered, it's up to each of us that has the key to reveal it or not or when. It's a historical curiosity then. Wladimir