Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SoEhM-0005Wg-Lu for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:12:24 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.160.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.47; envelope-from=gmaxwell@gmail.com; helo=mail-pb0-f47.google.com; Received: from mail-pb0-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1SoEhH-0001S5-7V for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:12:24 +0000 Received: by pbbrq2 with SMTP id rq2so18237327pbb.34 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:12:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.134.161 with SMTP id pl1mr48715980pbb.29.1341843133118; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.6 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:12:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1341825681.35206.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:12:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Gregory Maxwell To: Amir Taaki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gmaxwell[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.5 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Headers-End: 1SoEhH-0001S5-7V Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:12:24 -0000 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote= : > I've reverted these additions to the page, nothing personal but=E2=80=94 Er, to be clear, I left the android software in because the source is available (And I'm told its had some review). I removed the proprietary software section the plug for the blockchain.info webservices, and the demotion of the armory client. As far as criteria goes, I don't think we should list anything with a security model weaker than SPV unless users can practically operate their own servers. =E2=80=A6and even that I'm a little uneasy with, because most people will use the defaults. Ideally even thin clients would have a near SPV security model, just without the bandwidth. But since the alternative for thin clients is centralized web services the lower standard will probably have better net results for now. Nor do I think we should list anything which can't currently be subjected to independent review of the whole stack (e.g. including the server components in thinclients, unless the server is untrusted). In the future this should be raised to there existing actual evidence of third party review.