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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, While I agree with the arguments in favour of (optional ANYONECANPAY) APOAS= in lieu of CTV in the short-term (given the additional benefit of enabling= Eltoo), there's a point to add in favour of CTV (or similar) in the long-t= erm beyond as an optimisation. With APOAS-based covenants, the signature message algorithm is tied to both= the covenant commitment and transaction validation. Coupling these things = introduces a trade-off between safety and flexibility with covenant-based a= pplications. E.g. the maximally safe and restricted covenant commits to all= inputs and outputs of the transaction (using SIGHASH ALL). However, a less= restricted covenant commits to, for example, a single input and a single o= utput (using ANYONECANPAY|SINGLE) but opens itself up to attacks making use= of transaction malleability and signature replay. If instead we separate t= he covenant commitment from the signatures to validate transactions (as wit= h CTV and TXHASH + CHECKSIGFROMSTACK) then we by-pass this trade-off. The f= lexibility of additional templates with new CTV versions or with the TXHASH= primitive seems to me to enable significantly more utility for covenant-ba= sed applications. Best regards, Jacob Swambo --_000_VI1PR03MB5103AF9CB4D99A32F88B4BF6CCFC9VI1PR03MB5103eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

While I agree with the arguments in favour of (optional A= NYONECANPAY) APOAS in lieu of CTV in the short-term (given the additional b= enefit of enabling Eltoo), there's a point to add in favour of CTV (or simi= lar) in the long-term beyond as an optimisation. 

With APOAS-based covenants, the signature message algorit= hm is tied to both the covenant commitment and transaction validation. Coup= ling these things introduces a trade-off between safety and flexibility wit= h covenant-based applications. E.g. the maximally safe and restricted covenant commits to all inputs and outpu= ts of the transaction (using SIGHASH ALL). However, a less restricted coven= ant commits to, for example, a single input and a single output (using ANYO= NECANPAY|SINGLE) but opens itself up to attacks making use of transaction malleability and signature replay.= If instead we separate the covenant commitment from the signatures to vali= date transactions (as with CTV and TXHASH + CHECKSIGFROMSTACK) then we by-p= ass this trade-off. The flexibility of additional templates with new CTV versions or with the TXHASH primitive= seems to me to enable significantly more utility for covenant-based applic= ations.

Best regards,

Jacob Swambo
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