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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:00:23 -0700
From: Mark Friedenbach <mark@monetize.io>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP - Selector Script
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I think you're misunderstanding the point. The way you get IsStandard
changed is that you make an application-oriented BIP detailing the use
of some new standard transaction type (say, generalized hash-locked
transactions for atomic swaps). We then discuss that proposal for its
technical merits and reach consensus about the best way to do, for
example, cross-chain atomic swaps. It is then implemented.

So please, focus on some BIP(s) detailing applications of hash-locked
transactions, and we will engage more constructively -- I promise that I
will as cross-chain atomic swaps scratch my itch as well.

On 04/25/2014 01:48 PM, Tier Nolan wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org
> <mailto:luke@dashjr.org>> wrote:
> 
>     They define standard for interoperability between
>     software. So, if you want nodes to relay these transactions, you need to
>     convince them, not merely write a BIP for the transaction format.
> 
> 
> I agree with you in theory, each miner could decide their inclusion
> rules for themselves.
> 
> In practice, if the reference client is updated, then most miners will
> accept those transactions.  In addition, it would eventually propagate
> to alt-coins (or at least the supported ones).
> 
> I could simply submit the changes as a pull request for the reference
> client, but I was hoping that by doing it this way, it would increase
> the odds of it being accepted.
>  
> 
>     Defining a BIP for cross-chain trading would be one way to do that.
> 
> 
> I don't think it quite requires the same coordination in the short
> term.  I could write up the sequence as an info BIP.
> 
>     The malleability "issue" has been known for years.
>     I wouldn't expect any special effort made to fix it...
> 
> 
> It is possible to tweak the protocol so that it still works.  However,
> it means that 3rd parties are required (that could go in the BIP too).
>  
> 
>     There is some ongoing discussion of a softfork to basically redo the
>     Script
>     language entirely, but it will take quite a bit of time and
>     development before
>     we'll see it in the wild.
> 
> 
> Implementing multi-P2SH gets a lot of the benefits of MAST, in terms of
> efficiency.
>  
> 
> 
>     Luke
> 
>     P.S. Did the BIP editor assign these numbers? If not, best to keep them
>     numberless until assigned, to avoid confusion when people Google the
>     real BIP
>     44 and 45...
> 
> 
> Not yet, but that is just my personal repo.  I did email gmaxwell, but
> he said that they can't be assigned until some discussion has happened.
>  
> I take your point that the name appears in the link though, so could
> cause issues with searching.
> 
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