Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WwaWR-00016G-4I for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:16:43 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=80.91.229.3; envelope-from=gcbd-bitcoin-development@m.gmane.org; helo=plane.gmane.org; Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1WwaWP-00010H-4y for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:16:43 +0000 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WwaWI-0005Nr-Ef for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:16:34 +0200 Received: from 93-35-10-132.ip52.fastwebnet.it ([93.35.10.132]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:16:34 +0200 Received: from lawrence by 93-35-10-132.ip52.fastwebnet.it with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:16:34 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net From: Lawrence Nahum Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 93.35.10.132 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/35.0.1916.114 Safari/537.36) X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.7 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.91.229.3 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Headers-End: 1WwaWP-00010H-4y Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:16:43 -0000 Mike Hearn plan99.net> writes: > As long as miners stick to Satoshi's first seen rule, which is the default, it's useful: > > > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423.msg3819#msg3819 > > > > > (this is the famous "snack machine" thread from 2010) > > If they decide to change to something like highest-fee-always-wins, then they (again) centralise things by forcing all instant transactions to pay GreenAddress and its competitors money - much though I like your product Lawrence, let's hope they don't collectively lemming us all off a cliff by doing that ;) I assume we can't enforce to miners rules about which tx will go in and which won't and therefore whether this will cause more or less double spends. I mean, you can try but I would rather have to option to pick an third party instant provider explicitly than enforce bigger rules on mining which would IMHO lead to implicit centralization.