Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z52dw-0000A0-6o for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:59:56 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.223.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.178; envelope-from=grarpamp@gmail.com; helo=mail-ie0-f178.google.com; Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com ([209.85.223.178]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z52ds-0000HN-OC for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:59:56 +0000 Received: by iebgx4 with SMTP id gx4so24856201ieb.0 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:59:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.62.148 with SMTP id y20mr11076924igr.17.1434506387410; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.51.76 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:59:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 21:59:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: grarpamp To: Bitcoin Dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (grarpamp[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Z52ds-0000HN-OC Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:59:56 -0000 Please no GoogleGroups. Stick with mailman or some other open source thing you can move around from place to place as needed. Also, online third party archives die, their web interfaces suck ass, they're bloated, don't export, aren't offline capable or authoritative, etc. You need to make the raw archives (past and future) downloadable in mbox format and updated daily, with full unobfuscated headers for threading and replying, with signatures and attachments. Commonly for newcomers wishing to seed their own MUA's and archives, mirrors, search, and so on. One such breakage of archives by mailman defaults was discussed and corrected here: https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ You also need to get rid of the tag in the subject, it wastes valuable space and mail filters work just the same without it. Please no "forums" (see suck above). Unless they have bidirectional realtime message copying between list and forum. Or at least make available exports of their message database. Further, when will the crypto P2P communities develop and use distributed messaging systems... bitmessage, blockchain, etc as rough examples... to avoid old centralized issues. At some point you have to start eating your own dog food and make people run the clients and come to you instead. Disruptive tech is the new good.