Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE0F394E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 22:46:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 261A716F for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 22:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by labkb6 with SMTP id kb6so53482282lab.2 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2015 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=g9V+8ij3f9+W3YAjaEe+WqhJkT7Ljwy/3wQGzDzdCVA=; b=cq9KvS1qwEJuZqF1ziebzFotqpOan4wnvWC4Y1qUFeSChWKK3z9E4/aE+f64iVDUaA Vc6CZ//dvq2h8qVwxuM8Hd6ylupWngtnUntTsRro4Sobr5uuqQyagbypCSoAfpR96nhT pZe0fuZod6GazTWMDUiz4NfJ8yxvHYfF/sR7cLz2NCyxCQRByy4JJVocQ6AC0AKIkbBz 1QomEY60Pcn8D16QhS4qv9tXKOWVUEdgcUfUKAeg0G7PJfCB88m0lYopLeDV+WIjZEQX KrskjX0ATe0JrEKaKXz7gT2VhVV5uaihPL9X/29TerG7AcO3lrQdqtLO8xRQ3kYOzjvW 5a7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.10.97 with SMTP id h1mr10373281lab.45.1438987570356; Fri, 07 Aug 2015 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.184.175 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.184.175 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Aug 2015 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 00:46:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: Natanael To: Sergio Demian Lerner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1132f682f7a8e5051cc066e1 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] If you had a single chance to double the transactions/second Bitcoin allows... X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:46:13 -0000 --001a1132f682f7a8e5051cc066e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Den 7 aug 2015 23:37 skrev "Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev" < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>: > > Mark, > It took you 3 minutes to respond to my e-mail. And I responded to you 4 minutes later. If you had responded to me in 10 minutes, I would be of out the office and we wouldn't have this dialogue. So 5 minutes is a lot of time. > > Obviously this is not a technical response to the technical issues you argue. But "minutes" is a time scale we humans use to measure time very often. But what's more likely to matter is seconds. What you need then is some variant of multisignature notaries (Greenaddress.it, lightning network), where the combination of economic incentives and legal liability gives you the assurance of doublespend protection from the time of publication of the transaction to the first block confirmation. --001a1132f682f7a8e5051cc066e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Den 7 aug 2015 23:37 skrev "Sergio Demian Lerner via bi= tcoin-dev" <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
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> Mark,
> It took you 3 minutes to respond to my e-mail. And I responded to you = 4 minutes later. If you had responded to me in 10 minutes, I would be of ou= t the office and we wouldn't have this dialogue. So 5 minutes is a lot = of time.
>
> Obviously this is not a technical response to the technical issues you= argue. But "minutes" is a time scale we humans use to measure ti= me very often.

But what's more likely to matter is seconds. What you ne= ed then is some variant of multisignature notaries (Greenaddress.it, lightn= ing network), where the combination of economic incentives and legal liabil= ity gives you the assurance of doublespend protection from the time of publ= ication of the transaction to the first block confirmation.

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